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  • Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

    Originally posted by oyuncu
    It interesting that almost everything you know about history is wrong.
    1. Illyrians are the oldest nation of Europe. But I don't beg Europeans to admit Abanians as white. It is shameful for you. You don't necessarily have to be white to gain respect from stupid Europeans. Being Armenian from Caucasia and Middle East is respectful enough. Try to respect yourself first to give up your inferiority complexes.
    2. Albanians did not become Muslim at 1800, we adopt Islam at 1400s. And we and also Bosnians are not converted to Islam by force. You have to be familiar with the social and economical background of Albanians and Bosnians at middle ages to understand this issue. If Ottomans forced us to become Muslim, why do they only force 2 nations and ignore all Greeks, Serbians, Romaniansi Bulgarians, Macedonians, etc. I can send you articles if you really want to learn more about this issue.
    By the way, Albanian religion is Albanianism!
    3. Yes, we are nationalist for both Turkey and Albania at the same time. Turkey is my homeland and I am proud of being Turkish. But Albanian is my ethnic background and I am proud of being Albanian, too. Turks, Albanians, Bosnians, Circassians, Kurds, Arabs, etc. established the Republic of Turkey together. It is not easy for you to understand since you focus only your ethnical background.
    By 1430 the Ottomans had conquered Albania, but during the 1440s Gjergj Kastrioti organized the country’s feudal lords to fight the Ottomans. Kastrioti, popularly known as Skenderbeg, successfully resisted Ottoman control for 25 years with military help from Rome, Naples, and Venice. Albanian resistance collapsed after Skenderbeg’s death, and the Ottomans reoccupied the country by 1506. About one-fourth of the country’s population fled to Italy, Sicily, and the Dalmatian coast on the Adriatic. Skenderbeg’s name has been invoked throughout Albanian history to inspire national unity and independence. Today he is revered as Albania’s greatest hero.

    During four centuries of extensive rule, the Ottomans failed to control all of Albania. In the highland regions, Ottoman power was weak, and the Albanians refused to pay taxes or perform military service. The Albanians staged several rebellions, partly in defense of their Christian faith. At the end of the 16th century, the Ottomans began a policy of Islamicization (conversion to Islam) as a way of preventing future unrest. By the end of the 17th century, about two-thirds of the population had converted to Islam, many to avoid the heavy tax levied against Christians. The Ottomans also extended their control through a feudal-military system, under which military leaders who were loyal to the empire received landed estates.

    As Ottoman power declined in the 18th century, the power of some military lords increased. The Bushati family dominated most of northern Albania between 1750 and 1831, while Ali Pasa Tepelene ruled southern Albania and northern Greece from 1788 to 1822. These local rulers created separate states until they were overthrown by Ottoman sultan Mahmud II. A number of Albanians also rose to high positions in the Ottoman government in the 18th and 19th centuries, with more than two dozen becoming grand viziers (prime ministers).

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    1. can you give mee proof on that illyria is the oldest nation in Europe

    2. Albanians did not convert to islam in the 1400s......i was also wrong but so where you...there is no Albanianism! religion in albania after what i know....there are mostly moslems...but albanians are quite tolerant if that's what you mean by Albanianism!

    3. When you talk about the peoples who established the republic of turkey then you should have mentioned that kurds fought againt the republic of Turkey...and actually albanians and arabs had just liberated theirselves from ottaman terror.....

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    • Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

      Why do we have to be European? As a matter of fact, I think Armenians are more unique being part of middle east, southwest asia, etc than getting pushed in with the rest of Europe.

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      • Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

        how about enjoying the benefits of being a race... a race with a long history like yours should not need to be called something else or you should not need extra things to define yourselves... not being an european does not make you arab...

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        • Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

          Israel is occasionally considered "Europe" even though it is clearly in the Middle East. Israel participates in European pageants (alongside Armenia), it is part of some European organizations, and I wouldn't be surprised if Israel becomes part of the EU in the future.

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          • Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

            Originally posted by oyuncu
            Denying your eastern roots is not the good way to discover your culture. You are one of the Christian nations of midlle east like many others. You are not Europeans. Come on Just grow up. Being inflecteed from European culture doesn't make you European. If so then Turks are also one of the most westernised nation in the region. Same for Russians, too. But none of them are Europeans.
            Uh... If you read my posts in this thread, you will realize you shouldn't be addressing me of all people with such a post.

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            • Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

              yes! Hail and Kill! Whitepower, aight!!! You are whites and Aryans... I bet nobody knows that i'm j-e-w-i-s-h

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              • Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

                Originally posted by dani87
                By 1430 the Ottomans had conquered Albania, but during the 1440s Gjergj Kastrioti organized the country’s feudal lords to fight the Ottomans. Kastrioti, popularly known as Skenderbeg, successfully resisted Ottoman control for 25 years with military help from Rome, Naples, and Venice. Albanian resistance collapsed after Skenderbeg’s death, and the Ottomans reoccupied the country by 1506. About one-fourth of the country’s population fled to Italy, Sicily, and the Dalmatian coast on the Adriatic. Skenderbeg’s name has been invoked throughout Albanian history to inspire national unity and independence. Today he is revered as Albania’s greatest hero.

                During four centuries of extensive rule, the Ottomans failed to control all of Albania. In the highland regions, Ottoman power was weak, and the Albanians refused to pay taxes or perform military service. The Albanians staged several rebellions, partly in defense of their Christian faith. At the end of the 16th century, the Ottomans began a policy of Islamicization (conversion to Islam) as a way of preventing future unrest. By the end of the 17th century, about two-thirds of the population had converted to Islam, many to avoid the heavy tax levied against Christians. The Ottomans also extended their control through a feudal-military system, under which military leaders who were loyal to the empire received landed estates.

                As Ottoman power declined in the 18th century, the power of some military lords increased. The Bushati family dominated most of northern Albania between 1750 and 1831, while Ali Pasa Tepelene ruled southern Albania and northern Greece from 1788 to 1822. These local rulers created separate states until they were overthrown by Ottoman sultan Mahmud II. A number of Albanians also rose to high positions in the Ottoman government in the 18th and 19th centuries, with more than two dozen becoming grand viziers (prime ministers).

                Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


                1. can you give mee proof on that illyria is the oldest nation in Europe

                2. Albanians did not convert to islam in the 1400s......i was also wrong but so where you...there is no Albanianism! religion in albania after what i know....there are mostly moslems...but albanians are quite tolerant if that's what you mean by Albanianism!

                3. When you talk about the peoples who established the republic of turkey then you should have mentioned that kurds fought againt the republic of Turkey...and actually albanians and arabs had just liberated theirselves from ottaman terror.....
                Mr copy/paster, since you will resist against what I say just because I am Turkish, it is useless to waste time try to make you understand some points. Even the name of the person you call skenderbeg (iskenderbey) is Turkish.
                But if you want to be more familiar to this matter I recommend you to read the book of "Bosnian Church" Then you understand how Albanians and Bosnians belonged to a different sect that ruling Christians and converted to Islam easily with the arrival of Ottomans.
                1. If you are a good copy/paster that much Im sure you can find relevant information about Illyrians. I am very tired for a copy paste war.
                2. I dont understand what you mean with tolerant? %70 of Albanians are muslim (Bektasi sub-sect mostly) Ottomans never converted any nation in Balkans by force. If so there would be any Christian in Balkans after 600 years of Ottoman rule. Even if you dont have any history knowledge, just try to use your logic and think why only Bosnians and Albanians converted to Islam totally and others stayed same totally again. Ottomans always allowed people of lands they conquered to practice their religion freely, unlike the rest of Europe. (Christians massacred and expelled all Muslems and xxxs from Spain, destroyed all Islamic monuments, converted Christianity the ones who could survived) But in Balkans there are still thousands of churchs from middle ages, before Ottoman rule. Christianity is practiced as same as before after Ottomans.
                3. About Albanians who liberated themselves from Ottoman terror?? just for your information, even the person who wrote the Turkish national march is Albanian. Even Ataturk is originally Albanian. It is not easy for you to understand how Albanians established republic of Turkey together with others, because you just focus on "Turks killed us, Armenians are wonderful" thing. Let me make your narrow mind more confused: As and Albanian origin I am proud of being a Turkish and I will be proud forever.
                Last edited by oyuncu; 05-11-2006, 09:50 PM.

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                • Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

                  Originally posted by Londoner
                  yes! Hail and Kill! Whitepower, aight!!! You are whites and Aryans... I bet nobody knows that i'm j-e-w-i-s-h
                  I bet nobody cares.

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                  • Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

                    Yes yes, we've heard all this bullshyt before. The Ottomans were tolerant, the Turkish Republic is tolerant, the Republic of Azerbaijan is tolerant, and so was Idi Amin.

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                    • Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

                      Originally posted by TomServo
                      Yes yes, we've heard all this bullshyt before. The Ottomans were tolerant, the Turkish Republic is tolerant, the Republic of Azerbaijan is tolerant, and so was Idi Amin.
                      It is really waste of time to make you understand a point. I got bored. I am going to Greekclub.

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