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  • #31
    White Genocide

    Originally posted by Adonijah
    I do believe that there was a genocide and that It was horrible. It it wrong to forget such a crime and it is sad that this happened
    It's good to hear this, if everybody could bring themselves to think this way...

    Originally posted by Adonijah
    However I see a similar action being taken by the Armanian government agains a certain religious group (The Germans, The Japanese, The Russians, The Canadiens, The Africans, The French...I can go on forever). They have all tried to exterminate this group, and they all have failed.
    Banning or restricting activities of a certain, dubious to say the least, group is not comparable to a genocide.

    Originally posted by Adonijah
    Yet these people are peaceful, they do not get involved in politics and pay their taxes. They do not believe in war and try to be good citizens no matter were they are.They are JEHOVAH's Witnesses Why is Armania attacking my people ruthlessly? can any one answer that question please? (see web address listed below)..
    Armenians have a serious task of keeping the Armenian identity alive. Especially for the Diaspora Armenians, especially in western countries, it's easy to lose their "Armenianness" which is not desirable for a people who has been subject to genocide. The Armenian nation cannot afford bleeding this way and the Jehovah's Witnesses cult is seriously dangerous for a small nation like the Armenians.
    In my opinion, this cult is a Zionist/Freemason conspiracy. Do not be offended, you believe what you believe and I respect that as long as you respect what others believe.
    But I have noticed by converting Armenians, especially the poor and the vulnerable, this cult is alienating the people from their community and by making them indifferent towards their cause, endanger this people in the face of their blood-thirsty enemy of a thousand years who can't wait to exterminate whatever is left of Armenians and Armenia, to materialize their sick Pan-Turkist dream.
    If you want to convert and turn people into plants then choose a dangerous genocidal people for a change, however, I don't think you'll succeed.
    In a way, I respect the Muslims for their resistance to preaching of this sort of cults and their loyalty to their religion.
    BTW, why do you guys want to "convert" the FIRST Christian nation, whose unique brand of Christianity is closely tied to their national identity and has worked fine for the last 1704 years?
    Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

    I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
    II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
    III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
    IV. They shut up and say nothing.

    [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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    • #32
      Adonijah

      If you only know how much sacrifices Armenian people has done just because we believed in God and Jesus Christ? When we believed in God and Jesus Christ we built churches and monasteries by carving into mountains, we have invented new way of engineering to built our monasteries and churches, we invented new alphabet to be able perfectly translate the bible, we fought battles, we been massacred, the Communism couldn’t make us forget God. Why do you need to come to a Christian country and preach Christianity if you didn’t have hidden agendas? such as “Divide to rule”. (by dividing families)

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      • #33
        Adonijah,
        As David Icke has pointed out in his writings by the same title, "THE MORMONS AND THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE THE SAME ORGANISATION".

        And what has recently (in the last year and a half) been in the news with regard to Mormons and Armenians you might ask?

        In a disgusting and insulting act to Armenian national history, culture and religion about 2 years ago at the Salt Lake City, UT headquarters of the Mormon church - Proxy Baptisms took place of Armenian Saints.

        What is a Proxy Baptism? Roughly speaking, a proxy Baptism is when a saint from another religion or sect, who has long since deceased, is (through a living MORMON proxy individual) given the chance (during a sort of communication with the "dead" (through the proxy)) to convert themselves to the Mormon sect by baptism. Naturally the dead saint (or his mormon proxy) never refuses.

        This is what the sick Mormons did, with Armenian's Surp Grigor Lusavorich (St. Gregory the Illuminator). They converted him (while dead for the last 1700 years) to the church of Latter-day saints through baptism of a living mormon proxy in a sick and sinister ceremony in Utah. This is a disgrace to Religion itself and should cease to be practiced by a respectable sect. However, the proxy baptisms continue, and more Armenian saints were said to have been on the list to proxy baptize and convert to the Mormon Sect.

        I don't care if you come knocking on every door in Armenia, Surp Grigor Lusavorich is always going to be an Armenian Saint, Armenia is always going to be a Christian Nation, and your little proxy baptisms are always going to be an insult to the world and yourselves.

        We appreciate your recognition of the Armenian Genocide, but as Hellektor pointed out, Armenian Nation does not need another divide, you are better off going to Turkey to convert and proxy baptize...

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        • #34
          Jehovah's Witnesses Not Banned in Armenia

          Originally posted by Adonijah
          However I see a similar action being taken by the Armanian government agains a certain religious group (The Germans, The Japanese, The Russians, The Canadiens, The Africans, The French...I can go on forever). They have all tried to exterminate this group, and they all have failed.
          I just remembered (unless I'm mistaken) that some time ago the Jehovah's witnesses was registered and they were free to operate in Armenia, so I don't understand your accusations and exaggerations.
          It seems to me you are one of the following:
          I. You are uninformed, which makes you a prejudiced person;
          II. You are a Turk impersonating as a Jehovah's witness to throw accusations at Armenians.
          Check your sources first and accuse people of EXTERMINATION afterwards.
          Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

          I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
          II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
          III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
          IV. They shut up and say nothing.

          [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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          • #35
            [QUOTE=Adonijah]Actually Armenians do not know half as much as my "masters" about christianity.

            I know you all celebrate when someone dies thats all i need to know to determine you are a weird cult
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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            • #36
              Adonijah
              We will succeed because God has promised that "This good news of the kingdom (of God) will be preached unto all the inhabit earth and then the end shall come: Matthew 24:14



              If you want to follow what Bible says you need to spread the Gospel to ones that never heard of it and not challange the worlds first Christian nation
              "All truth passes through three stages:
              First, it is ridiculed;
              Second, it is violently opposed; and
              Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

              Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              • #37
                "This good news of the kingdom (of God) will be preached unto all the inhabit earth a

                We disagree once they heard the gospel now its between them and Jesus no man can interfere who are you to?
                Why dont you go spread the good news to ones that dont know it if you are like you say a TRUE CHRISTIAN
                "All truth passes through three stages:
                First, it is ridiculed;
                Second, it is violently opposed; and
                Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                • #38
                  even if theres a genocide .. armenians cant request anything from my folks

                  "The ICTJ concluded in a 2003 report that the massacres of Ottoman Armenians technically fit the definition of genocide set by a 1948 UN convention. However, the ICTJ report also stressed that the 1948 Convention’s provisions did not allow "retroactive application" to events that occurred prior to the treaty’s adoption. Thus, Armenians could not use the convention to claim any material compensation from modern-day Turkey."

                  source: http://www.eurasianet.org/department...av060305.shtml

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by ProudTurk
                    even if theres a genocide .. armenians cant request anything from my folks
                    I don't think we care much about YOUR folks.

                    We have every right to claim everything the Turkish government took from us, and we will. Your folks on the other hand, can drink their turkish coffee in the red fez and piraye all day long, for all I care.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ProudTurk
                      the real reason we dont admit the genocide is not that we scared of compensation .. im just not allowed to state the actual reason here .. cuz itd against the forum rules
                      No reason for you to say it again, we've heard your lame excuses a thousand and one times before. Besides, when someone is not honest, there's no sense in you repeating tired, old LIES.

                      i advise u to make some research about genocide policy of the UN .. ull find out that UN cant force any1 to pay compensation for a genocide has been made b4 1951 ..
                      Since when does the UN = International Court of Justice??????????


                      nvm i made some research for u about genocide policy of the UN ..
                      Then you would know that the UN recognizes the Armenian Genocide.

                      It did so in August 1985 - The U.N. sub-commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities, adopts a report on genocide, which declares that the extermination of the Armenians in 1915 is an example of genocide. It is the first time that the recognition of the Armenian Genocide is stated in an official U.N. document


                      "The ICTJ report makes it clear that although the term “genocide” defined by the 1948 convention is applicable to the bloody events of 1915, the Armenians can not use it to lay “legal, financial or territorial claim” to Turkey. “The Genocide Convention contains no provision mandating its retroactive application,” it explains."

                      source: http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeni...97A185F525.asp
                      The ICTJ is a mere "human rights" organization with no authority to make any such deduction or determination that even though they say it's Genocide, there will be no punishment. In fact, that organization was called in by TARC and we all know that TARC was acting on behalf of the US State Department. Funny you quoted this garbage twice, and both times you conveniently left off the TARC connection. It is in the interest of the axis of evil aka the Phantom Alliance to get turkey off scott free and it's even the turkish government Plan B, admit without any consequences.

                      The ICTJ was as much an "independent study commission" as was TARC. They even have a history of having stuck their big noses into the situation in Yugoslavia. They get funds from such organizations as:

                      The Konrad Adenauer Foundation
                      Carnegie Corporation of New York
                      Ford Foundation
                      Horace W. Goldsmith Foundation
                      The William and Flora Hewlett Foundation
                      Charles Stewart Mott Foundation
                      Rockefeller Brothers Fund
                      The Rockefeller Foundation

                      All are organziations with questionable objectives funded by private individuals, mostly Americans and chosen tribe. So sorry, your ICTJ is NOTHING. Just like TARC is nothing.

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