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  • #111
    Moderators, I'm assuming this Islamic fanatic Tefvik has been banned by now, and if not, it should happen posthaste!

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    • #112
      Phantom

      The word that can descrbe Tevfi Fikret's post is "ignorance". As I muslim I cant accept his words as "islamic". Definetly and clearly ignorance leads to fanatism.


      Allah will decide who will be in hell or not. A Muslim's first duty is to control his/her own relations with God. The others' business is theirs. Everyone's judgement will be announced on the day of judgement. I dont think we should be in a rush to pass judgement anyone else's fate.

      We are living in a period which can be described by the word "Fetret" where Islam is not represented properly or misrepresented. If a non-muslim has a negative image of Islam we as Muslims will be questioned on the day of judgement and it is our sin. Tevfik I think we have to deal with our own problems concernng hereafter. God will decide who be in heaven or hell. Islamic scholars agree that, in times of Fetret(like 20th century) the innocent non-muslims might go to heaven(especially those who died in wars).

      And Just a Note: Tevfik Fikret himself was not a great fan of Islam. His proud son Haluk whom he shows as an example to new Turkish generation(his poem regarding Haluk'un Nesli, Generation of Haluk) actually converted to Christianity and died as a Monk in a Church. In reaction Mehmet Akif Ersoy(poet of National Anthem who is of Albanian origin) writes his poem Asim'in Nesli the generation of Asim. Tevfik Fikret and his son acually are examples of the identity crisis, and how shaky was the definition of Turkish Nationalism in those times. Young Turk supporter Tevfik Firket was proud of his son because his proud son denounced old Turkish/Ottoman traditions.


      Originally posted by phantom
      Moderators, I'm assuming this Islamic fanatic Tefvik has been banned by now, and if not, it should happen posthaste!

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      • #113
        Originally posted by tevfik fikret
        by the way...heaven is created for muslims who believe in ALLAH and have the religion Islam..not for Chrisitians or jews or any other xxxxs
        Yeah God or Allah is waiting for you people up there with 72 virgins, right? You M/F..!!!!!!
        He has a bordello in the heaven, and the only thing is missing people like you to screw these virgins, right? You SOB..!!!!!!!
        If you don’t like Christians why are you busting your behinds to join EU???
        It’s all jealousy no matter how much you deny it; deep in your hearts you know damn well that you are jealous of Christians

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        • #114
          Neutral Turk

          Originally posted by neutral
          Exposed?! Thats my name because when I write essays I normally conclude with both sides of the arguement followed by a neutral, middle of the road ending.

          I can't change my name? I dont think its possible? If I can how?
          I don't know how can you change your name, let's see if the moderators can do that. But maybe you can "Add" a line to your signature saying "I'm neutral Turk" , "I am an ethnic Turk " or something like that.. Or maybe you want to add it to your location "UK Neutral Turk" or something. I don't know.

          For a Turk, you are neutral, that true. But you are not "In General" neutral. If you know what I mean

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          • #115
            Originally posted by TurQ
            Phantom

            The word that can descrbe Tevfi Fikret's post is "ignorance". As I muslim I cant accept his words as "islamic". Definetly and clearly ignorance leads to fanatism.


            Allah will decide who will be in hell or not. A Muslim's first duty is to control his/her own relations with God. The others' business is theirs. Everyone's judgement will be announced on the day of judgement. I dont think we should be in a rush to pass judgement anyone else's fate.

            We are living in a period which can be described by the word "Fetret" where Islam is not represented properly or misrepresented. If a non-muslim has a negative image of Islam we as Muslims will be questioned on the day of judgement and it is our sin. Tevfik I think we have to deal with our own problems concernng hereafter. God will decide who be in heaven or hell. Islamic scholars agree that, in times of Fetret(like 20th century) the innocent non-muslims might go to heaven(especially those who died in wars).

            And Just a Note: Tevfik Fikret himself was not a great fan of Islam. His proud son Haluk whom he shows as an example to new Turkish generation(his poem regarding Haluk'un Nesli, Generation of Haluk) actually converted to Christianity and died as a Monk in a Church. In reaction Mehmet Akif Ersoy(poet of National Anthem who is of Albanian origin) writes his poem Asim'in Nesli the generation of Asim. Tevfik Fikret and his son acually are examples of the identity crisis, and how shaky was the definition of Turkish Nationalism in those times. Young Turk supporter Tevfik Firket was proud of his son because his proud son denounced old Turkish/Ottoman traditions.
            First, thanks for the info.
            And I want to add to all that, Muslims and Islam NEVER considered Christians and Jews as "infedals" , the term Islam use for them is "Ahlu al Ketab" (People of the book , if I'm translating right, which means that their Book is a Holy Book) , and "Ahlu Al Zimma" . Not infedals as Tevfik was saying.

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            • #116
              Maral

              The translation is correct, The people of Book. Those nations/peoples whosay they are the followers of the books, Gospel-Injil and Tevrat-Torah, and the Prophets Isa-Jesus Musa and other Prophets sent to the Hewbrews, are called Ehli Kitap.

              Originally posted by maral_m79
              First, thanks for the info.
              And I want to add to all that, Muslims and Islam NEVER considered Christians and Jews as "infedals" , the term Islam use for them is "Ahlu al Ketab" (People of the book , if I'm translating right, which means that their Book is a Holy Book) , and "Ahlu Al Zimma" . Not infedals as Tevfik was saying.

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              • #117
                Originally posted by tevfik fikret
                by the way...heaven is created for muslims who believe in ALLAH and have the religion Islam..not for Chrisitians or jews or any other xxxxs
                I'd like to distance myself that misguided statement.

                tevfik fikret is forgetting the 99 names/attributes of God.

                He is, to name a few;

                Ar-Rahim (The Merciful)
                Al-Ghaffar (The Forgiver)
                Al-Adl (The Just)
                Al-Ghafur (The All-Forgiving)

                To suggest that every non-Muslim is going to hell is crazy.
                www.armenian-genocide.org

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                • #118
                  yeah sure Allah is the forgiver..no one can deny his names..
                  www.armenian-genocide.org

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                  • #119
                    im against eu...beacuse i hate europeans and chrisitians..i also hate people in turkey who suppport eu..by the way im not a islam fanatic,just a muslim
                    www.armenian-genocide.org

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                    • #120
                      turq..i dont use the name "Tevfik Fikret" because of the poet..its my real name..
                      www.armenian-genocide.org

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