Chief Rabbi of Israel Recognizes the Armenian Genocide

[Joseph]

Sounds like a ridiculous conspiracy theory, much like the ones leveled at us by conspiracy loving Turks.

I agree. I think we all need to look at this maturely. Although it is very true that many Jewish organizations work on behalf of Turkey, they are playing the real-politik game the same as any other national group. Israel see's a lot more to gain by have a strategic alliance with Turkey than with Armenians. Whether you agree or not, Israel feels it needs a Muslim ally and a regional ally. For all we know they may not even really like or appreaciate Turkey but that doessn't matter.

From their standpoint they probably wonder why Armenia has good relations with Iran and Armenians are generally pro-Palestinian.

Whether you think it's right or not, the world is a one big zero-sum game.

[phantom]

I agree. I think we all need to look at this maturely. Although it is very true that many Jewish organizations work on behalf of Turkey, they are playing the real-politik game the same as any other national group. Israel see's a lot more to gain by have a strategic alliance with Turkey than with Armenians. Whether you agree or not, Israel feels it needs a Muslim ally and a regional ally. For all we know they may not even really like or appreaciate Turkey but that doessn't matter.

From their standpoint they probably wonder why Armenia has good relations with Iran and Armenians are generally pro-Palestinian.

Whether you think it's right or not, the world is a one big zero-sum game.

You're right! Neither country really has a lot of choice right now. Armenia cannot fully form any alliances with Israel/US, because if they do, they will get eaten up alive in that part of the world. They have to appear neutral and stay closer to Russia and Iran in order to appease the Islamic/Arab world next door. They cannot form alliances with Turkey, even though that would be the best choice, because Turkey cannot be trusted as a friend and ally until they get this Genocide issue straightened out. And of course, Israel doesn't have many options for friendship in that part of the world, so they have no choice but to do the Turks' bidding. I just wish Israel would get some balls and at the very least stay neutral on the Genocide topic rather than do all of Turkey's lobbying. At least Armenia doesn't go around the world telling people that no Holocaust happened.

[Kharpert]

Krunchy, I'd like to note, in passing, that Mein Kampff reached Turkey's best-seller list not too long ago. Not everyone in this world is as one-dimensional as you make them out to be, and this entire Judeophobia is being taken entirely out of proportion.

[Kharpert]

Sometimes laying low is the better option. We may want to be good neighbors with Iran, but carrying all their opinions and policies is the stupidest idea in the world. If Armenia did something as ridiculous as deny the Holocaust, Armenia would be xxxxlisted as ignorant and hypocritical for the rest of its history. Israel, on the other hand, is very good at saying things that will piss off only Arabs and no one else. That is why most of their outrageous policies fly under the political radar.

And, unfortunately, if we as Armenians can't take militant action against oppressors, then there's nothing we can do and nobody in the world would care. THAT is why I regard Armenian battles fought and won in Armenia and Karabagh to be heroic. It's the few times in our history where Armenians have proved that, failing all else, they can hold their ground with force.

[Reincarnated Am]

Sometimes laying low is the better option. We may want to be good neighbors with Iran, but carrying all their opinions and policies is the stupidest idea in the world. If Armenia did something as ridiculous as deny the Holocaust, Armenia would be xxxxlisted as ignorant and hypocritical for the rest of its history. Israel, on the other hand, is very good at saying things that will piss off only Arabs and no one else. That is why most of their outrageous policies fly under the political radar.

And, unfortunately, if we as Armenians can't take militant action against oppressors, then there's nothing we can do and nobody in the world would care. THAT is why I regard Armenian battles fought and won in Armenia and Karabagh to be heroic. It's the few times in our history where Armenians have proved that, failing all else, they can hold their ground with force.

We have to learn how to become knifing, a thousand mile journey starts with the fist step

[Kharpert]

Dude, NO. You missed the entire point. I said, that the only time Armenia has ever accomplished anything was when they used military force. I didn't say they were weak, I said when Armenians decided to fight, it proved successful. Armenians have achieved almost nothing for themselves through treaties and documents, but have achieved much more by picking up arms and defending themselves. What did you think I said?

About Israel; what I meant to say was that they, as a nation, have been very good at incurring the support of the governments in Western Civilization.

[Reincarnated Am]

When you do Google news search on “Armenia” you will see how many headlines will show with “Bird Flu” although there is no Bird Flu in Armenia, and when you do the same search on “Turkey” you will see non although the flu problem is there, what does this tell you?

[Kharpert]

I actually didn't see many articles for the Bird Flu, and those that I saw were, for the most part, Armenian news sources.

[Reincarnated Am]

When you do Google news search on “Armenia” you will see how many headlines will show with “Bird Flu” although there is no Bird Flu in Armenia, and when you do the same search on “Turkey” you will see non although the flu problem is there, what does this tell you?

Oh I am sorry, till few days back that was the situation, but when I tried it just now it was changed

[Kharpert]

Be careful dude, from looking around here I noticed that saying stuff like - Turks and Zionists are opportunists and back stabbers - will get you banned in this forum devoted to the Armenian Genocide.

Those people were banned from the forum because they were making overtly racist and hateful remarks, such as "Turks are scum", "Jews deserve to be killed" or things like that.

What Reincarnated said wasn't breaking any forum rules.