Chief Rabbi of Israel Recognizes the Armenian Genocide

[Joseph]

I did not read the rest of this thread but here is my take on this matter.

This is not a matter of "Jewish conspiracy theories."

Jews have been noticing rising anti-Jew sentiments within the Armenian nation worldwide. Just visit any of the anti-Semitic websites on the internet and you will find a very noticeable Armenian presence. Moreover, Turks have also made some anti-Israel statements as of late. This Turkish reaction could be due to the training the Israel secret service has been providing the Kurds within northern Iraq. Also, Jews are sinking deeper and deeper into the Middle Eastern quicksand. In short, they need friends - desperately.

Nonetheless, their visit, their empty words, their theatrics, mean nothing. All major Jewish organization worldwide work against Armenians. They need to stop their support for Turkey and Azerbaijan. Moreover, they need to admit that the founding fathers of their Zionist state, such as Hertzel and Jabotinski, openly encouraged the Turks to carry out the Armenian Genocide. Moreover, as you may well know, the Young Turks were primerily of Jewish extraction.

You can read quite a few articles concerning this matter within this thread: http://www.armeniangenocide.com/foru...read.php?t=864

Look, I know you guys will jump all over me for this but most Jews sympathize with Armenians. Try to remember men like Morgenthau. Some of our biggest champions in the US Congress happen to be Jews. The most well respected genocide scholars are Jewish and they are on our side. The Turks used divide and conquer against all of us; Armenians (Gregorian, Catholic, Protestant) Assyrians, Jews, Greeks, Chaldeans... we should all stop hassling each other and focus our attention to the source of that divide.

[imported_Armenian]

Look, I know you guys will jump all over me for this but most Jews sympathize with Armenians. Try to remember men like Morgenthau. Some of our biggest champions in the US Congress happen to be Jews. The most well respected genocide scholars are Jewish and they are on our side.

I would not say "most" Jews sympathize with Armenian. Yes, some individual Jews do so. But I am speaking about their government and their major organizations - not the individual.

Also, Morganthau was simply a politician representing America during wartime.

Nonetheless, while the American Jew Morganthau was defending us, his fanatical Zionist kin within Europe were conspiring with Turks to get rid of the Armenians. Also, don't forget the geneology of the Young Turks, they were mostly of Jewish decent. Read the articles posted within my "Armenian Genocide" thread and we'll discuss this matter afterwards.

Nevertheelss, I don't hate the individual Jew, I simply hate their social and political establishment that happens to be anti-Armenian and anti-Christian - to the very core. And the Zionist State of Israel is an evil abomination that need to be wiped out totally.

The Turks used divide and conquer against all of us; Armenians (Gregorian, Catholic, Protestant) Assyrians, Jews, Greeks, Chaldeans... we should all stop hassling each other and focus our attention to the source of that divide.

And they learned this from their masters in Tel Aviv. We are not "hassling" with each other because they, the Jews, are not one of us. And the very source of our problem in America today is the Jew - not the Turk. Don't you think that the Armenian Genocide Resolution Bill would have passed the US Senate many years ago had it not been for the Jew.

My advice: Take a close look at the ADL and AIPAC, only then you will see evil role that organized Jewry plays within the United States.

[Kharpert]

most ALL jews support both the jewish lobbies and the state of israel in one way, shape or form

Wrong. Less than half of all the Jews in the world are Zionist. Even at the dawn on its creation, many religious and secular Jews resisted Theodor Herzl's creation of a Zionist state. Over the course of 55 years, only 37% of Jews have supported Zionism.

[phantom]

It's one thing to call out the reality of AIPAC's activities against recognition of the Armenian Genocide, and to call out Israel's shameful refusal to officially acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, but I believe we can shed light on these facts without making racist and hateful comments against Jewish people. Yes, AIPAC has taken a very shameful and disgusting position by lobbying against Genocide recognition. And yes, the Israeli government has likewise taken a disgusting and shameful position. Does that mean all Jews are evil; or that all Jews are in opposition to our goal as Armenians to acknowledge our ancestors? Of course not. Furthermore, some of the greatest champions of our cause have been Jews: Morgenthau, Charney, Weisel, Bauer, Auron, Lisptadt, Melson, Wefel (author of the most famous book ever written about the Armenian Genocide) and Israel's minister of education (I forget his name), just to name a few. If we go down the road that some of you hate mongers are going, then we will alienate the whole world, including those who have selflessly helped our cause. Attacking someone's ethnicity is hurtful; why should we do that? Why should we hurt people and drive them away from us, when we can state the facts impartially and objectively without hurting anyone's feelings. I think the best thing to do is to celebrate the lives of those Jews who are with us, consequently further shaming those Jews and Jewish organizations who are against us.

[Joseph]

It's one thing to call out the reality of AIPAC's activities against recognition of the Armenian Genocide, and to call out Israel's shameful refusal to officially acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, but I believe we can shed light on these facts without making racist and hateful comments against Jewish people. Yes, AIPAC has taken a very shameful and disgusting position by lobbying against Genocide recognition. And yes, the Israeli government has likewise taken a disgusting and shameful position. Does that mean all Jews are evil; or that all Jews are in opposition to our goal as Armenians to acknowledge our ancestors? Of course not. Furthermore, some of the greatest champions of our cause have been Jews: Morgenthau, Charney, Weisel, Bauer, Auron, Lisptadt, Melson, Wefel (author of the most famous book ever written about the Armenian Genocide) and Israel's minister of education (I forget his name), just to name a few. If we go down the road that some of you hate mongers are going, then we will alienate the whole world, including those who have selflessly helped our cause. Attacking someone's ethnicity is hurtful; why should we do that? Why should we hurt people and drive them away from us, when we can state the facts impartially and objectively without hurting anyone's feelings. I think the best thing to do is to celebrate the lives of those Jews who are with us, consequently further shaming those Jews and Jewish organizations who are against us.

I agree.

[Kharpert]

I concur.

[phantom]

BTW, by celebrating those Jews (and making sure it is clear in the media that the person we are celebrating is/was Jewish) that have selflessly helped us, it makes it quite hard for Turks to say that Jews are on their side. It also makes it harder for AIPAC and Israel to continue down their shameful path as we have already discussed.

[Armenoid]

It's one thing to call out the reality of AIPAC's activities against recognition of the Armenian Genocide, and to call out Israel's shameful refusal to officially acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, but I believe we can shed light on these facts without making racist and hateful comments against Jewish people. Yes, AIPAC has taken a very shameful and disgusting position by lobbying against Genocide recognition. And yes, the Israeli government has likewise taken a disgusting and shameful position. Does that mean all Jews are evil; or that all Jews are in opposition to our goal as Armenians to acknowledge our ancestors?

Greetings to all. This is my first post here.

I fully agree, no point in engaging in hate rhetoric, it simply turns people off. But, on the other hand, many Armenians go gaga over everything Jewish. We must realize that while many Jews are decent folk, all their social/political organizations, lobbies, goverment, ect, are fully against us Armenians. On a political level I don't think they can be trusted.

Incidentaly, I found this website through google searches regarding the Zionist involvement withn the Armenian Genoide. Google brought up some threads here that referred to the topic. I am still learning about this topic. But I am not about to hate every single Jew over what their politicians did or continue doing today. But I am not about to support them on any political issues, including Palestine.

Regards

[phantom]

Greetings to all. This is my first post here.

I fully agree, no point in engaging in hate rhetoric, it simply turns people off. But, on the other hand, many Armenians go gaga over everything Jewish. We must realize that while many Jews are decent folk, all their social/political organizations, lobbies, goverment, ect, are fully against us Armenians. On a political level I don't think they can be trusted.

Incidentaly, I found this website through google searches regarding the Zionist involvement withn the Armenian Genoide. Google brought up some threads here that referred to the topic. I am still learning about this topic. But I am not about to hate every single Jew over what their politicians did or continue doing today. But I am not about to support them on any political issues, including Palestine.

Regards

Welcome Armenoid. I agree about your point in general, but I disagree that "ALL" their social/political . . . are against us. There are several Jewish-American organizations who have supported our efforts in passing the most recent Genocide resolution. There are also notable Jewish institutions, like the one headed by Israel Charney, who speak openly about the Armenian Genocide and about Israel's shameful position on it.

[Krunchy]

Welcome Armenoid. I agree about your point in general, but I disagree that "ALL" their social/political . . . are against us. There are several Jewish-American organizations who have supported our efforts in passing the most recent Genocide resolution. There are also notable Jewish institutions, like the one headed by Israel Charney, who speak openly about the Armenian Genocide and about Israel's shameful position on it.

Those groups and institutions to which you refer are nothings with no political clout whatsoever. I think they were created for the sole purpose of being a place to point to when criticism arises. Like playing a game with people's heads and make it possible to suck in the gullible.