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  • #71
    Originally posted by TurQ
    Who would approve JITEM?

    About the Kurds we definetly differ. For me the marxist Kurds lose their indentity. Their religon is the backbone of their identity. And after all common culture, common heritage, common history all is stregthened by our common religon, being muslims. Thats why PKK inclined Kurds see less attachment to Turks compared with avarage Kurd.
    Avarage Kurd is mostly conservative, living their lives. They want just a decent life, they dont want to get insulted etc. Other than that they dont have much concerns. This is true majority of the Kurds, and by your definition they are not Kurds. What do you think about Faik Bulut and his kind? Are they Kurds, being apparutus of leftist military supporters?
    Yes I don't consider them as Kurds who forget their nationality and trust in only religion.They are traitors to their nation.They don't struggle for anything but religion.They are feudal and barbar.We should educate them and make them modern people who struggle for their rights.
    Right?

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    • #72
      Religous Kurds are concious of their etnicity, they too would like to be free to speak their language as they want.
      The thing is they dont see themselves different than Turks or outside of Turkish indentity. THis is a result of 100s of years of co-existence of TUrks and Kurds.

      I dont know how you equate, conservative Kurds with Feudalism. Kurds living in big cities are conservative and religous
      how can you call them as feudal? The feudal body exists in south east.

      Kurds will never adopt a left wing, socialistic way of life. They are concious of themselves, and they dont see themselves outside of
      Turkish identity.
      Every TUrkish citizen should struggle for rights, so Kurds struggling for Kurdish rights sounds absurd to me.
      If we struggle for all rights uniformly there wont be any problem. SOlving some of the problems, leaving the others
      wont help at all believe me.

      Anyways, I want also to say if your model Kurd is a person like Faik Bulut, I am totally against it.

      Originally posted by RUDO
      Yes I don't consider them as Kurds who forget their nationality and trust in only religion.They are traitors to their nation.They don't struggle for anything but religion.They are feudal and barbar.We should educate them and make them modern people who struggle for their rights.
      Right?

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      • #73
        Without being Muslims Kurds will lose large part of their indentity.
        The PKK supporters in Europe and Russia are best examples.


        Originally posted by RUDO
        Yes I don't consider them as Kurds who forget their nationality and trust in only religion.They are traitors to their nation.They don't struggle for anything but religion.They are feudal and barbar.We should educate them and make them modern people who struggle for their rights.
        Right?

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        • #74
          Originally posted by TurQ
          Without being Muslims Kurds will lose large part of their indentity.
          The PKK supporters in Europe and Russia are best examples.
          Most of Kurds are muslims you know.I only don't like too religious ones.Of course without support of muslim ones there will be only yezidis and süryanis.And they are a very little part of Kurds.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by TurQ
            Religous Kurds are concious of their etnicity, they too would like to be free to speak their language as they want.
            The thing is they dont see themselves different than Turks or outside of Turkish indentity. THis is a result of 100s of years of co-existence of TUrks and Kurds.

            I dont know how you equate, conservative Kurds with Feudalism. Kurds living in big cities are conservative and religous
            how can you call them as feudal? The feudal body exists in south east.

            Kurds will never adopt a left wing, socialistic way of life. They are concious of themselves, and they dont see themselves outside of
            Turkish identity.
            Every TUrkish citizen should struggle for rights, so Kurds struggling for Kurdish rights sounds absurd to me.
            If we struggle for all rights uniformly there wont be any problem. SOlving some of the problems, leaving the others
            wont help at all believe me.

            Anyways, I want also to say if your model Kurd is a person like Faik Bulut, I am totally against it.
            You are like other Turks saying that we are also Turks but not giving any human rights and in addition slaughtering us.All these sentences are familiar to me .I always hear them.But I don't see any improvement.And these words' aim is asimilation.And I am one of them who is asimilated who doesn't know his mother tongue.

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            • #76
              I am not saying that.
              I am telling you my observation. If a Turk goes to Diyarbakir, does he/she feel in a different culture? I dont think so, but I wouldnt say the same
              for Central Asia. So Turks and Kurds have a similiar way of life and almost same culture for centuries. This is
              what it is, and just an observation. I dont think this means Kurds are Turks ethnically or vice versa. What I am saying is that Kurds are
              happy to be Turkish citizens

              The problem is there are some problem makers within our society that wants Kurds to feel like foreigners or
              put divisions among us, so that there would be tensions to cover up their dark aims. These people are profiting from tensions.

              Look for example the Workers party, and Dogu PErincek. This guy gave flower to Adbullah Ocalan in 1989 during his visit to a PKK camp, now he says
              he is against PKK, seem like nationalistic(Ulusalci). LIke 3 months ago, one of his top party members was visitng a village in Elazig or Gaziantep(cant remember exactly but
              a village in east/southeast), he was saying, villagers should uprise against injustices, organize protests against
              government. But very same party says, there is a seperatism danger in East. So these guys want people in the
              streets and then say, "you see there is this danger and military should go into the scene". Same group both
              wants an uprising from Kurdish villagers and measure to be taken against the events in the east. I think there
              is something fishy here,dont you think so?
              People like Faik Bulut, who was accused of being PKK supporters are today workign with civilian coupists.
              Dont you think there is something fishy? These guys want to establish artificial divisions and abuse the problems
              in east to justify their dark aims.
              Originally posted by RUDO
              You are like other Turks saying that we are also Turks but not giving any human rights and in addition slaughtering us.All these sentences are familiar to me .I always hear them.But I don't see any improvement.And these words' aim is asimilation.And I am one of them who is asimilated who doesn't know his mother tongue.

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              • #77
                Rights should be supported for any Turkish citizen, regardless of any background.
                Originally posted by RUDO
                You are like other Turks saying that we are also Turks but not giving any human rights and in addition slaughtering us.All these sentences are familiar to me .I always hear them.But I don't see any improvement.And these words' aim is asimilation.And I am one of them who is asimilated who doesn't know his mother tongue.

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                • #78
                  I think if you go to Diyarbakır,you will see that Kurds and Turks have different cultures and life styles.Then maybe you will see diversities between nations.
                  I agree with you.Some bad people(U.S.A especially)want to diverse our people and make chaos in our country.We shouldn't play their games.But on the other hand Turkey must help Kurds,support Kurds.If not,plays will be played on Turkey and there will be chaos in Anatolia.I agree with you on that point.Ok?

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                  • #79
                    You see that kind of difference even in suburbs of Istanbul. But I would never ever feel that I am in Europe or Russia or in Central Asia. Sure we have diversity, but this diversity is part of TUrkish society today. When I say Turkish society I am not refering to ethnic Turks only. I am refring to all diversity inherited from Ottomans..

                    Originally posted by RUDO
                    I think if you go to Diyarbakır,you will see that Kurds and Turks have different cultures and life styles.Then maybe you will see diversities between nations.
                    I agree with you.Some bad people(U.S.A especially)want to diverse our people and make chaos in our country.We shouldn't play their games.But on the other hand Turkey must help Kurds,support Kurds.If not,plays will be played on Turkey and there will be chaos in Anatolia.I agree with you on that point.Ok?

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by TurQ
                      You see that kind of difference even in suburbs of Istanbul. But I would never ever feel that I am in Europe or Russia or in Central Asia. Sure we have diversity, but this diversity is part of TUrkish society today. When I say Turkish society I am not refering to ethnic Turks only. I am refring to all diversity inherited from Ottomans..
                      You know Ottoman's society fell in the pieces in a very tragedic way.So I am reluctant to depend on Ottoman's inheritence.

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