Pkk - terrorist organization or freedom fighters?

[ScythianVizier]

Joseph is right.

PKK is a terrorist organization,we can't deny that.

But we also shouldn't forget governments' terrorism in the country.

They are both terrorists.They need this war.(Both PKK and Army)Because their job is killing murdering.If there were no war,there would be no army no terrorism.

So who suffered from this dirty war?

Innocent people like you and me.

Freedom fighters do not get involved in trade of illegal drugs, and do not target civilians like PKK. For example, Che and Mandela were freedom fighters, but Ocalan (and his PKK) was/is not.

[imported_RUDO]

Rudo,

The Turkish state has denied Kurds the right of education in their native language since the foundation of the Republic, but has not aimed at the lives of Kurds. Because of this, Kurdish intelligentsia in Turkey choose to use political & peaceful means to get more rights until early 1980s. Then, the PKK entered into the scene and brutally murdered almost all Kurdish politicians & intellectuals who wanted to use peaceful means.

In 1984, when PKK started its terroristic campaign, this process was already completed. By this time, when we probably first heard about the name PKK, they had already achieved part of their mission: They annihilated each and every Turkish Kurd who might have opposed their bloody actions.

So?

I know all you said in the post.

Don't you think that both of them are guilty?

[Joseph]

Freedom fighters do not get involved in trade of illegal drugs, and do not target civilians like PKK. For example, Che and Mandela were freedom fighters, but Ocalan (and his PKK) was/is not.

Many rebellions are funded through nefarious means. One example is the Mojaheddin movement vs. the Soviets in Afghanistan was bolstered by the opium trade.

[imported_Ottoman]

One Conspiracy Theory ...

First Step;
PKK now tries to make Turkish and Kurdish people hate each other.
Aims No trade - no marriage - no neighbourhood between these people.
This will ease the separation.This is why PKK targets civilians on west side of Turkey.

Second Step;
When the first step is ok,More people will join PKK.Tension arises,
The Turkish Army will get tough. Casualities will increase.
Some genocide rumours will be heard.

Last Step;
Imperialist powers will warn Turkey,an Nato / UN operation may be expected like Yugoslavia.
Kurdistan is ready to be formed!

Only a Conspiracy Theory, do not take care ...


Breathing each other's lives
Holding this in mind
That if we fall, we all fall
And we fall alone

*SOAD

[ScythianVizier]

Many rebellions are funded through nefarious means. One example is the Mojaheddin movement vs. the Soviets in Afghanistan was bolstered by the opium trade.

Yes, but those were also sponsored and financed by the western countries who did not like the idea of USSR in Afghanstan. So, the questions of terrorism get even broader in perspective.

[gokhan]

From a Turkish view

Hello friends,

I am an American Turkish , live in New York. PKK has killed more than 30000 people in Turkey. They still try to damage the Turkey. I am veryy happy to see the results and your understanding the situation.

[Vogelgrippe]

So?

I know all you said in the post.

Don't you think that both of them are guilty?

Yes, they both are, as long as you can tell between degrees of guilt.
The PKK bullied, killed, robbed, and terrorized all Kurdish civilians who showed the courage of disagreeing with them.

The Turkish Army initiated its biggest campaign against these terrorists, in order to protect Turkish and Kurdish civilians alike. During this struggle, the army often failed to take sufficient precautions in order to seperate terrorist from civilian.

To admit that the Turkish Army committed grave mistakes is one thing, equaling them to PKK babykillers is another. If you go to bed in Istanbul, Ankara, or wherever you are, and sleep safe and sound, you owe it to the Turkish Army. Just look at the postings of some Armenian forum members here, and you can tell how they would love to 'serve and protect' you if they had the military might to invade (at least part of) Turkey.

[Joseph]

One Conspiracy Theory ...

First Step;
PKK now tries to make Turkish and Kurdish people hate each other.
Aims No trade - no marriage - no neighbourhood between these people.
This will ease the separation.This is why PKK targets civilians on west side of Turkey.

Second Step;
When the first step is ok,More people will join PKK.Tension arises,
The Turkish Army will get tough. Casualities will increase.
Some genocide rumours will be heard.

Last Step;
Imperialist powers will warn Turkey,an Nato / UN operation may be expected like Yugoslavia.
Kurdistan is ready to be formed!

Only a Conspiracy Theory, do not take care ...


Breathing each other's lives
Holding this in mind
That if we fall, we all fall
And we fall alone

*SOAD

Which outside forces want to acheive this and why/for what purpose?

[gokhan]

very easy to answer. Most of our neighboors do not want to see a 72 million giant to stand up and start growing economically.

[Joseph]

very easy to answer. Most of our neighboors do not want to see a 72 million giant to stand up and start growing economically.

Yes, because the last thing multinational corporations would want to do is make money doing business in Turkey and the last thing the EU countries would want is a stable democracy in Turkey and let's not forget, Turkey's economic strength is more of an issue of say, the rise of a non-democratic and expansionist China, a nuclear Iran, or a possible war between India and Pakistan, right?