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  • #21
    The PKK is a product of Turkey.
    every organization has its good and bad deeds.

    Therefore the PKK can be described as freedom fighters

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    • #22
      Originally posted by kerkuk_kurdista
      The PKK is a product of Turkey.
      every organization has its good and bad deeds.

      Therefore the PKK can be described as freedom fighters
      If you mean PKK is a deliberate product of Turkey, a terrorist group formed by a half Turkish half Kurkish guy called APO who actually may be a secret member of the MIT (Turkish Intelligence) who took orders from the Turkish government to est. PKK so the Turkish Military could justify the raids and killings of millions of Kurds with an attempt to ethnically cleanse S.E.Turkey and call it a war with the PKK when critisized, then I would say you have actually given the issue some thought even if what you said could be considered wild and outrageous.

      Otherwise you have the reasoning of a 3 year old.

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      • #23
        I am sypathetic to Kurdish Causes, however I am not sympathetic to terrorism, mass murders, slaughter of innocent civilians for their nations policy, or suicide bombings.

        The PKK is without any reasonable doubt a terror organization, do not let hate of Turkey fool you about them, the PKK is an organization of cold blooded killers who's preffered targets are women and children.

        That said it does not mean I am against the Kurdish Right to their own state, or that I am for the fascist Turkish Policies relating to the Kurds, however that does not justify bombing Pizza Shops, Schools, and other ordinary civilians.

        To the guy who was trying to make it seem like the Kurds are Israel's Vassals, you couldn't possibly be more rediculous.

        Israel is on very good terms with the Kurds (Apart from the PKK and Answar Al Islam) because Israelis feel they have similar histories, and because Kurdish Jews assure other Israelis that the Kurds are friends of the jews, however if you think Ariel Sharon controlls the Kurdish National Movement from Tel Aviv you are certainly not thinking based on reality. The Kurds have their own political entities that are fully independent and would be around regardless of Israel's Policies.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Reincarnated Am
          Do you think PKK is a terrorist organization or they are freedom fighters?


          xxx
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #25
            Originally posted by yigitp91
            Pkk Is The Terrorist Group...there Is No Question To That... And They Killed 30.000 Innocent People...i Love It When Turks Kill Pkk Members Lol

            Yes, I'm quite sure the PKK killed all of those 30,000 people. The Turkish army would never forcibly evacuate and burn down Kurdish villages or kill Kurdish civilians, right?
            General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Joseph
              Yes, I'm quite sure the PKK killed all of those 30,000 people. The Turkish army would never forcibly evacuat and burn down Kurdish villages or kill Kurdihs civilians, right?
              Yesterday in Hakkari (a Turkish province with 95% ethnic Kurdish population) 10.000 people staged a mass rally to protest PKK's bombing of a school bus which killed 11 children and several Turkish soldiers. They carried Turkish and Kurdish flags and condemned the PKK. (Feel free to confirm this story in Turkish and internatinal press!)

              I agree with you that the Turkish Army should have been more sensitive to human rights when fighting the PKK, but that does not put into question PKK's murderous credentials. Even ethnic Kurds in Turkey are sick and tired of PKK's violent and terrorist campaign, and regard these bloodthirsty psychos as terrorists. Who are you to know better?

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Vogelgrippe
                Yesterday in Hakkari (a Turkish province with 95% ethnic Kurdish population) 10.000 people staged a mass rally to protest PKK's bombing of a school bus which killed 11 children and several Turkish soldiers. They carried Turkish and Kurdish flags and condemned the PKK. (Feel free to confirm this story in Turkish and internatinal press!)

                I agree with you that the Turkish Army should have been more sensitive to human rights when fighting the PKK, but that does not put into question PKK's murderous credentials. Even ethnic Kurds in Turkey are sick and tired of PKK's violent and terrorist campaign, and regard these bloodthirsty psychos as terrorists. Who are you to know better?
                The PKK are terrorists no doubt but the statistic of "30,000" killed in the war with the PKK, how many were killed by Turksh troops, village guards, Hizbullah, mafia, etc? It is a dirty war and of course the PKK are misguided but the the problem was not created in a vacuum. The majority of the Kurds are against the PKK but do they trust the state? Do they have any reason to believe in the government in Ankara? Should they? THey are caught in between a hammer and an anvil and all they know is the heavy handed response.

                Many Turks are against the US efforts in Iraq and I am inclined to agree with them but the way the US has been dealing with the insurrection is no different than how the Turks have dealt with the Kurds ( or the Israelis vs. Palestinians). The more people you kill (sometimes the innocent as well) the more terrorists you create. So what can be done? Not sure there really is a solution but to give people more autonomy, rights, economic incentive, etc. It seems that Turkey is starting to realize this reluctantly but this could have been dealt with decades ago.

                As far as the US is concerned, the insurrectionists are well aware the they need not win any battles, hold territory, win international recognition and legitimacy. All they need to do is outlast the US, similar to the situation in Vietnam. Likewise, the Palestinians will eventually win in 20 years because of simple demographics alone. These are termed "low-intensity conflicts" and the advantage is always with the insurrectionists.

                Maybe Turkey has the chance to improve the situation in the east, but will they?
                General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                • #28
                  I say they are terrorists like master like slave; the judgment day is coming soon

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                  • #29
                    Joseph is right.

                    PKK is a terrorist organization,we can't deny that.

                    But we also shouldn't forget governments' terrorism in the country.

                    They are both terrorists.They need this war.(Both PKK and Army)Because their job is killing murdering.If there were no war,there would be no army no terrorism.

                    So who suffered from this dirty war?

                    Innocent people like you and me.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by RUDO
                      Joseph is right.

                      PKK is a terrorist organization,we can't deny that.

                      But we also shouldn't forget governments' terrorism in the country.

                      They are both terrorists.They need this war.(Both PKK and Army)Because their job is killing murdering.If there were no war,there would be no army no terrorism.

                      So who suffered from this dirty war?

                      Innocent people like you and me.
                      Rudo,

                      The Turkish state has denied Kurds the right of education in their native language since the foundation of the Republic, but has not aimed at the lives of Kurds. Because of this, Kurdish intelligentsia in Turkey choose to use political & peaceful means to get more rights until early 1980s. Then, the PKK entered into the scene and brutally murdered almost all Kurdish politicians & intellectuals who wanted to use peaceful means.

                      In 1984, when PKK started its terroristic campaign, this process was already completed. By this time, when we probably first heard about the name PKK, they had already achieved part of their mission: They annihilated each and every Turkish Kurd who might have opposed their bloody actions.

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