The Policy of Turkification of Iran

[imported_oslonor]

Good Good you found the answer,

Mimar Hayrettin student of Mimar Sinan. Mimar Sinan as I told you before is the master of Architects, and he is not of ARmenian origin(Ithought too, but he is of Greek origin) and it does really not matter. Mimar Sinan is not the great Sinan without his belief in Islam, without his devotion to Ottoman state he couldnt be the magnificent Sinan. SAme is true for Mimar Hayrettin. Today
the architects can not solve how Hayrettin actually built that bridge, with the knowledge of that age. They simply can not say anything, those architects were way ahead of their counterparts in Europe.

I personally dont know Mimar Sinan's master and who actually thought him his art. COuld you also tell us how he was brought up?

You should watch out. They are trying to distract you from the main questions that Azeris are Turks.

[imported_Hellektor]

Good Good you found the answer,

Mimar Hayrettin student of Mimar Sinan. Mimar Sinan as I told you before is the master of Architects, and he is not of ARmenian origin(Ithought too, but he is of Greek origin) and it does really not matter...
Today
the architects can not solve how Hayrettin actually built that bridge, with the knowledge of that age. They simply can not say anything, those architects were way ahead of their counterparts in Europe.

I personally dont know Mimar Sinan's master and who actually thought him his art. COuld you also tell us how he was brought up?

Sinan is Armenian. The Armenian hating Turk will even settle with him being Greek rather than Armenian. There are many books about Sinan and they all agree that he was Armenian, so let's leave it there. This is not the genocide that you are denying, however, denial is your creed.

Here a fact from Sinan's life that proves beyond doubt that he was Armenian:

When Sultan Selim II decided to deport the Armenians of Caesarea to Cyprus in 1573 (no, the genocide did not start in 1915!), architect Sinan asked him the “favor” not to deport his family, which was “granted” by the “magnanimous” representative of god on earth.
And know that Caesarea used to be a part of Armenia since ancient times and had a large Armenian population, so don't come and tell me since Sinan came from Caesarea, he must have been Greek. Lame, Turkish lie. Fie, fie, fie!

Mimar Sinan is not the great Sinan without his belief in Islam, without his devotion to Ottoman state he couldnt be the magnificent Sinan. SAme is true for Mimar Hayrettin.

That's what you believe and I don't have to share your ideas.
I on my part, believe that Sinan never renounced his Lord Jesus Christ (he was forced into janissary after the age of 13), and the reason he did not build those magnificent mosques in the Persian style, is because he actually built churches and he probably told himself: let the suckers believe it's a mosque, I dedicate it to my one and only Lord, Jesus.

I personally dont know Mimar Sinan's master and who actually thought him his art. COuld you also tell us how he was brought up?

Unquestionably, Sinan was a genius. He was a self taught architect.

P.S. Is the stone the size of Azgarbageland still in your rear? That must hurt. You still haven't faced the challenge and are just changing the subject.

[Gondorian]

To your post:

I don't know whether you are addressing oslonor or me, since you haven't used QUOTE tags.

If by "your article" and "that link of yours" you are talking to me, I can't believe you read that article in such a short time.
It's consisted of five parts, it is completely exhaustive and covers all areas regarding the question.

If you want my explanation, for the thousandth time:

Turks are not a race.
By Turks I mean the invading nomads who pillaged this side of the Caspian after the 11th century A.D.
They "conquered" the areas from the Caucasus to Asia Minor and forced their language and Turkic identity on the conquered, indigenous peoples through rape, harassment, genocide, taxes, janissary "recruitments", stealing of women as sex slaves, stealing of children, etc.
The fake nation, "Azeris" are also the same as Turks. They are not an ethnicity.
The people of the REAL Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) however, are the descendants of the Medes (an Iranian people), who became speakers of Turkish under the rule of Turkic invaders. They are Iranians racially, culturally and in mentality and they consider themselves Iranians.
Now, if you had read the article you would have found out that "...Persia is not confined by linear conceptions such as “race”, “language” or even “culture”. An Iranian can just as easily be speaking Arabic in Khuzistan, Baluchi in Zahedan, or Turkish in Maragheh."
Iran is not Turkey, so do not project.
In Turkey EVERYBODY is a Turk and if they refuse to consider themselves as such, they will be exterminated like the Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians in 1915.

In Iran it is impossible to tell whether one is completely Persian or has Azarbaijani (Turkish speaking Iranian) "mixed" in their blood.
Almost anybody that I know will tell you: "my mother is a Tork (the word for Turkish speaking Iranian) and my father is a Lur", "I am Fars and my wife is Tork", "I am Kurdish and my husband is Fars" and so on, if they are asked.
It doesn't mean that it matters much, but that's what you hear all the time.

There is no distinction or discrimination among different "ethnicities" in Iran.
This is the secret that this country has survived against the odds and such different peoples of immense diversity have lived in harmony together for such a long time.

The article, which neither you nor oslonor have read, clearly explains all of this and also exposes the enemies of Iran, the pan-turkists, who are trying to destroy this harmony.

Because destroy is what Turks do and they do it like no other.

I was talking to you, and your article did not contradict a single thing I said. Today Iran is by no means under any form of Turkification, and to the contrary Turks are being persecuted in Iran along with Kurds and others who are not Shia Muslim. Your country right now is persecuting it's non Shia Minorities, and Persian/Iranian History is no more relevant to that then the fact that the Turks saved 10,000 Jews from the Spanish Inquisition is relevant to Turkish anti-semitism today.

The enemies of Iran are the ones who confiscate land from turkish farmers on grounds of Heresy. Pan Turanists are bad news, but they are doing nothing to Iran today.

If the Turkish Population in Iran, which you consider to be huge since you consider Azeris to be Turks rebell it is your own fault for persecuting Sunnis.

[imported_oslonor]

I was talking to you, and your article did not contradict a single thing I said. Today Iran is by no means under any form of Turkification, and to the contrary Turks are being persecuted in Iran along with Kurds and others who are not Shia Muslim. Your country right now is persecuting it's non Shia Minorities, and Persian/Iranian History is no more relevant to that then the fact that the Turks saved 10,000 Jews from the Spanish Inquisition is relevant to Turkish anti-semitism today.

The enemies of Iran are the ones who confiscate land from turkish farmers on grounds of Heresy. Pan Turanists are bad news, but they are doing nothing to Iran today.

If the Turkish Population in Iran, which you consider to be huge since you consider Azeris to be Turks rebell it is your own fault for persecuting Sunnis.

Some explanations concerning Iran:

There are two versions of Pan Turkism in Iran.

Pan Turkism by ordinary Azeris and who are severly persecuted. This is a very progressive movement by ordinary Azeris who are trying to get their national and ethnic and language rights. This Pan Turkism should be supported.

Pan Turkism or Pan Azerism by the Azeri Turks in power in Iran.
This is a fascist movement by Azeri turks in power in Iran who represent an anti-democratic movement to impose turkish culture on non turk Iranians and they call it Pan-Iranism. This should be opposed by all.

Also Azeris are Shias.

[bell-the-cat]

Here a fact from Sinan's life that proves beyond doubt that he was Armenian:

When Sultan Selim II decided to deport the Armenians of Caesarea to Cyprus in 1573 (no, the genocide did not start in 1915!), architect Sinan asked him the “favor” not to deport his family, which was “granted” by the “magnanimous” representative of god on earth.

That is not quite correct based on what I have read. Its not so clear cut as that. Sinan wrote a letter to the Sultan saying that an Armenian family in Kayseri had asked him (Sinan) to intervene and stop their deportation. So the family was not his family. But the implication is that Sinan was Armenian because why else would an Armenian family have asked him for help. And also, the village near Kayseri where he was supposedly born was populated mostly by Armenians.

[TurQ]

It is not deportation(Yet it is not genocide) it is to rearrange populations in Ottoman state. It was part of state policy to maintain stabilty in the state.
For example 5 Jewish families from Spain were directed to island of Crete in 16th century to vitalize the trade life in the island. Avshar Turks have been sent to Sanjak/Montenegro/KAradag to balance out Orthodox populations, likewise Armenians have been sent to Aydin,Izmir, Eskisehir in 17th,18th century. This was merely for maintaining populations inside the Ottoman state. I dont think Armenians were so angry about being sent to Cyprus.

What I knew was Sinan was of Kayseri Armenian, but majority of the people believes he is of Greek origin. May be a KAyseri family has asked from another Kayserian a favor.

How this word genocide is used so freely and uncontrollably, I cant udnerstand it.

Ottomans was so genocidal state thruout the history so that how come the Armenians would become a ministery of Treasure of Minister of Foreign affairs in Ottoman state?

That is not quite correct based on what I have read. Its not so clear cut as that. Sinan wrote a letter to the Sultan saying that an Armenian family in Kayseri had asked him (Sinan) to intervene and stop their deportation. So the family was not his family. But the implication is that Sinan was Armenian because why else would an Armenian family have asked him for help. And also, the village near Kayseri where he was supposedly born was populated mostly by Armenians.

[imported_Hellektor]

I was talking to you, and your article did not contradict a single thing I said. Today Iran is by no means under any form of Turkification, and to the contrary Turks are being persecuted in Iran along with Kurds and others who are not Shia Muslim. Your country right now is persecuting it's non Shia Minorities, and Persian/Iranian History is no more relevant to that then the fact that the Turks saved 10,000 Jews from the Spanish Inquisition is relevant to Turkish anti-semitism today.

The enemies of Iran are the ones who confiscate land from turkish farmers on grounds of Heresy. Pan Turanists are bad news, but they are doing nothing to Iran today.

If the Turkish Population in Iran, which you consider to be huge since you consider Azeris to be Turks rebell it is your own fault for persecuting Sunnis.

You see, you don't read what I say. It's OK when you don't reply but when you do, please don't put words in my mouth.

Once and for all:

The people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) are Turkish speaking Iranians

They are not Turks. They are Iranians racially, culturally, historically, religiously, mentally and with all their heart.

If you are denying this you are either misinformed (by pan-turkist propaganda or lack of knowledge) or you are a pan-turkist yourself.

Here you have tons of articles about the issue, written by the people you call Turkish minority in Iran. They all confirm what I say, it's a pity the website is in Farsi only, though.
It has tons of articles about the language called Azari, which was a dialect of Pahlavi and not Turkish.
Arab historians referred to this language as Azari and that's where the word comes from.
A nation called "Azeri" is pure fiction and has never been referred to by any historian ever.

I don't want to discuss about minority oppression in Iran, as you might know why. In any case the oppression is on all the nation and not a certain group.
The only group who were openly under pressure were the Bahais, because the regime does not recognize their religion. However in Shah's time they were not discriminated against, as no other group was, except for the communists.
Pepsi Cola Iran for example was owned by Bahais.
I already said too much about the subject.

[Bulgarian]

You see, you don't read what I say. It's OK when you don't reply but when you do, please don't put words in my mouth.

Once and for all:

The people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) are Turkish speaking Iranians

I dont think the whole world saw this.

[imported_Hellektor]

You see, you don't read what I say. It's OK when you don't reply but when you do, please don't put words in my mouth.

Once and for all:

The people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) are Turkish speaking Iranians

I dont think the whole world saw this.

It's a pity the program does not allow a larger font size.
Some people are "myopic" or "dyslexic". I have repeated this gazillions of times and still these pan-turkists will come and declare that 50% of the population of Iran are Turks.

You know, the bogus country north of the Arax "founded" on mainly Armenian territory was named "Azerbaijan" precisely to claim the real Azarbaijan as a part of it that had been "divided" between Iran and Russia.

While the Armenians reached Berlin and helped flush Hitler down the drain of history, the "Azeris" invaded the real Azarbaijan and annexed it to their fake "country". It was a failure, because the people of Iran did not buy their crap.

Read this exhaustive article to know more about the issue.

[Bulgarian]

It's a pity the program does not allow a larger font size.
Some people are "myopic" or "dyslexic". I have repeated this gazillions of times and still these pan-turkists will come and declare that 50% of the population of Iran are Turks.

Only 25% of the population of Iran are Turks.

I know about the pan Turkists.