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Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:
I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
IV. They shut up and say nothing.
[URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]
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Originally posted by TurQI am with you on this Gavur.
The things that you own will own you later(from fight club, the movie)
If these guys are really brave or really hate you or have a matter with us then
they should deal with us(if they can), not anyone else. if not it seems they are just entertaining themselves by insulting, primitive self satisfaction.
Silly turk. Quoting from a movie, quite indicative of the mentality of your friends here. That's all they know is what they've been programmed with. They never learned to think independently.
It is quite obvious who the haters here are. One of them asked how could he be called a Nazi when he is "against" Nazis, but we know he defends the Nazi behavior of our enemies, who behave even worse than Nazis and are NO DIFFERENT than Nazis in behavior and racism, thus there is no wonder that the shoe fits. He has become what he hates.
I suffer from no such malady.
BTW, you said something that I had an inferiority complex because I posted to you in turkish. Hey, I don't feel inferior to my cats. I talk cat to them. Meow.
I leave you with a couple of famous quotations regarding turks:
Will they ever be civilised? I think not, such a fine country ought to be in better hands.
-John Webster
My comment: Yeah, the real owners of it.
"The turk is so absolutely without a moral sense, so unutterably bestial in his consideration of woman, so unthinkably vile and filthy in his personal habits, and so hopelessly degraded in his relations with his fellow man that the depth of his infamy is past all human credence.
The turk is not a human being. I do not call him a beast, because notone of God's dumb creatures could sink so low. The turk is a devil without a tail. And the educated, polished turk—the official who affects a knowledge of the French language and a veneering of Parisian manners--is the most unspeakable fiend of all. In proof that this assertion is based on incontestable truth I challenge denial from any unprejudiced man who has
known the turk thoroughly well for a quarter of a century."
William W. Howard
1896
An American Eyewitness to turk Savagery
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OK guys. This doesn't look good for us.
Hating Jews and denying their suffering will get us nowhere.
Of course, Turks used barbaric methods and also rape, but don't forget that most of the millions of Jews who were killed in WWII were ordinary human beings.
Jooboian's/Parandzem's anger is understandable, but guys, by hating Jews for hate's sake, we really look like Turks, it doesn't look good at all.
But let's find a way to expose them and defeat their plans, rather than denying ordinary Jewish people's sufferings, that only make us look disgusting.
Remember: the magnificent Franz Werfel, the great Henry Morgenthau, Israel Charni, Yair Auron and many US senators who are on our side are also Jewish.
However, I would hesitate to place Morgenthau in the same category as Werfel, Charney and Yair Auron.
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It seems through outt the history there existed individuals like yourself, I think thats part of life, I have to admit. At least you wouldnt feel alone, and probably feel confident by knowing the existence of such idiots in history.
Dogs even attracts other dogs from 19th century, may be they are reincarnating dogs to this century
Originally posted by ParandzemMy comment: Yeah, the real owners of it.
"The turk is so absolutely without a moral sense, so unutterably bestial in his consideration of woman, so unthinkably vile and filthy in his personal habits, and so hopelessly degraded in his relations with his fellow man that the depth of his infamy is past all human credence.
The turk is not a human being. I do not call him a beast, because notone of God's dumb creatures could sink so low. The turk is a devil without a tail. And the educated, polished turk—the official who affects a knowledge of the French language and a veneering of Parisian manners--is the most unspeakable fiend of all. In proof that this assertion is based on incontestable truth I challenge denial from any unprejudiced man who has
known the turk thoroughly well for a quarter of a century."
William W. Howard
1896
An American Eyewitness to turk Savagery
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Originally posted by TurQI am with you on this Gavur.
The things that you own will own you later(from fight club, the movie)
If these guys are really brave or really hate you or have a matter with us then
they should deal with us(if they can), not anyone else. if not it seems they are just entertaining themselves by insulting, primitive self satisfaction.
Thanks its very Christian of you turq"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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Originally posted by 1.5 millionshame on you H - i thought you were smarter then that...
I don't know why I should be condemned by you like this. Can you put the specific section in quote tags so that we see what I said was wrong?Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:
I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
IV. They shut up and say nothing.
[URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]
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Originally posted by JooboianYou're another moron and you should stay out of things that you have little or no understanding of! If I have a hatred of jews, it's because of the AG and I would be 100% justified, but those things seem to go right over your head. Fking idiot!
There can be no excuse for HATE!
I'm not taking sides neither am I claiming to be most knowledgable,intelligant or scholarly my heurastic approach to life forces me to express.
As long as you dont denie the A.G. I will fight for your right to express your thoughts whether your a jew a Turk or Armenian if the forum is appropriate.
Know this too the louder you yell the less people hear you."All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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Originally posted by HellektorExcept for Turkish denialist and suspect agitators, I insist on being on civilized terms with everyone.
I don't know why I should be condemned by you like this. Can you put the specific section in quote tags so that we see what I said was wrong?
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Whose side you're on?
Originally posted by 1.5 millionTo blame in any way the Armenian Genocide on "Jews" - this is overly simplistic and short sighted and it is an untruthful pseudo-scientific generalization...and I know of the people you speak and the roles they played...a true student of these times displays a better understanding of the various forces and motivations of nations and groups and individuals about during this time and the reasons for the Genocide of the Armenians (which had nothing whatsoever to do with "Jews" per se...any more then you could blame Armenians themselves...less so even...)
Originally posted by HellektorIt is absolutely true that Jews have had a part in the AG. Pan-turkism was put in the heads of the Turks by Jews like Emmanuel Carasso, Leon Cahun, Arminius Vamberry (actually I'm not sure on his being Jewish, can someone confirm this? (I really want to know, that's why I hilight it here. H.)), Lumley David, Primo Levi, Oscar Straus, Tekin Alp, Falik Bey Toledo, etc.
Originally posted by HellektorOK guys. This doesn't look good for us.
Hating Jews and denying their suffering will get us nowhere.
Of course, Turks used barbaric methods and also rape, but don't forget that most of the millions of Jews who were killed in WWII were ordinary human beings.
Jooboian's/Parandzem's anger is understandable, but guys, by hating Jews for hate's sake, we really look like Turks, it doesn't look good at all.
But let's find a way to expose them and defeat their plans, rather than denying ordinary Jewish people's sufferings, that only make us look disgusting.
Remember: the magnificent Franz Werfel, the great Henry Morgenthau, Israel Charni, Yair Auron and many US senators who are on our side are also Jewish.
Originally posted by HellektorPan-turkism was put in the heads of the Turks by Jews like Emmanuel Carasso, Leon Cahun, Arminius Vamberry (actually I'm not sure on his being Jewish, can someone confirm this?), Lumley David, Primo Levi, Oscar Straus, Tekin Alp, Falik Bey Toledo, etc.
It is true that Bolshevism, the fruit of the ideas of the Jew Carl Marx and the Jew-Tatar Lenin, did a greater damage to Armenians than the AG.
It is true that the state of Israel does not recognize the AG.
It's also true that even till this very day those OSCE xxxxxxs, that Ariel Cohen, that Jewish organization, the diabolical International Crisis Group founded by Jews like Morton Abramovich, George Soros, Steven Solarz and loudmouthed by that Turk-sucking xxxxx Sabina Fraser (Jew?), that Turk-worshipping xxxxx Emma Bonino (Jew?), and the xxxxxx Michel Delatros?? (not sure of his last name or whether a Jew?) can't get enough of telling the Armenians to "return" the liberated lands, let "Azeri" vermin infest Artsakh (no word about the Armenian refugees who were the victims of "Azeri" genocidal acts and aggression), to let international "peace" keepers invade Armenia (as if peace is not kept!) and then after 15 years, when the parasites have bred tenfold, hold a "referendum" in Artsakh...
Daaa! What do we, the winners of the war, get in return
It's true that the Bernard Jewis' Project of dissecting Iran will make the sick pan-turkist dream come true (god -or whatever- forbid) and destroy Armenia.
What was a huge Jewish delegation doing in Baku recently, encouraging the "Azeris" and promising them to spread their poison in Iran using the Turkish speaking Iranians for their subversive plans?
In the same days, "Azeri" filth attacked the Armenian Prelacy of Atrpatakan in Tabriz. Fortunately the police stopped them before they did serious damage. Such a thing had never happened in Iran. You might prefer to see us exterminated like in Sumgait so that they will get their xxxxing Vaseline oil rather than someone criticizes your poor, innocent Jews.
So you see, your Jews don't give a semi-flying xxxx the Armenians of Iran might become targets for pan-turkist genocidal hate. They will xxxxxle on other nations' rights to get what they want and they've done it time and time again in the past.
You don't seem to care that if Armenia falls in those money-worshippers' trap and cedes land to "Azeris" to receive handouts from Uncle Sam, as was "promised" by that devil Ariel Cohen, then Armenia will be on the verge of extinction.
Can you tell us who's behind that disgusting International Crisis Group?
Can you tell us how come the destruction of the Jugha cemetery doesn't get the slightest attention from the Jew owned news media whereas if a Swastika is sprayed on a modern Jewish tombstone without any artistic value they cry havoc and "Hitler, Nazi, Holocaust" for days?
Can you tell us why no Jew owned world media gave a damn about the Gurgen Markarian mutilation in a NATO framework, the glorification of the beast and his catapulting to the "honor" of man of the year in Azgarbageland whereas the same media showers the world with emotional blackmail and cries of "Nazi, Hitler, anti-Semite" don't stop for days when a Jew is killed in Paris?
Why do the Jeuropean Junion and OSCE xxxxxxs put the = between Armenia and Azgarbageland whenever they are telling them to refrain from warmongering or destroying "one another's" cultural heritage, etc?
I wonder why...
Between the Jews and the Armenians, the choice is easy for me.Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:
I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
IV. They shut up and say nothing.
[URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]
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Originally posted by HellektorOK guys. This doesn't look good for us.
Hating Jews and denying their suffering will get us nowhere.
Of course, Turks used barbaric methods and also rape, but don't forget that most of the millions of Jews who were killed in WWII were ordinary human beings.
Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva
1.
IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
2.
IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
3.
IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid
4.
IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
5.
IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.
6.
IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
7.
IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.
8.
IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"
9.
IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
10.
IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
There are additional similar questions to be asked of these atheist degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", but for the time being let them respond to the ten questions.
These Zionist "statesmen" with their great foresight, sought to bring an end two two-thousand years of Divinely ordained Jewish subservience and political tractability. With their offensive militancy, they fanned the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and succeeded in forging a bond of Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding countries.
These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.
Jooboian's/Parandzem's anger is understandable, but guys, by hating Jews for hate's sake, we really look like Turks, it doesn't look good at all.
It is absolutely true that Jews have had a part in the AG. Pan-turkism was put in the heads of the Turks by Jews like Emmanuel Carasso, Leon Cahun, Arminius Vamberry (actually I'm not sure on his being Jewish, can someone confirm this?), Lumley David, Primo Levi, Oscar Straus, Tekin Alp, Falik Bey Toledo, etc.
"pan-Turkism was not created by the Young Turks or even in Turkey. It was first called for in the 1860s by a Hungarian Zionist named Arminius Vambery"
http://www.red-ice.net/specialreport...ngenocide.htmlIt is true that Bolshevism, the fruit of the ideas of the Jew Carl Marx and the Jew-Tatar Lenin, did a greater damage to Armenians than the AG.
It is true that the state of Israel does not recognize the AG.
It's also true that even till this very day those OSCE xxxxxxs, that Ariel Cohen, that Jewish organization, the diabolical International Crisis Group founded by Jews like Morton Abramovich, George Soros, Steven Solarz and loudmouthed by that Turk-sucking xxxxx Sabina Fraser (Jew?), that Turk-worshipping xxxxx Emma Bonino (Jew?), and the xxxxxx Michel Delatros?? (not sure of his last name or whether a Jew?) can't get enough of telling the Armenians to "return" the liberated lands, let "Azeri" vermin infest Artsakh (no word about the Armenian refugees who were the victims of "Azeri" genocidal acts and aggression), to let international "peace" keepers invade Armenia (as if peace is not kept!) and then after 15 years, when the parasites have bred tenfold, hold a "referendum" in Artsakh...
Daaa! What do we, the winners of the war, get in return
It's true that the Bernard Jewis' Project of dissecting Iran will make the sick pan-turkist dream come true (god -or whatever- forbid) and destroy Armenia.
But let's find a way to expose them and defeat their plans, rather than denying ordinary Jewish people's sufferings, that only make us look disgusting.
Remember: the magnificent Franz Werfel, the great Henry Morgenthau, Israel Charni, Yair Auron and many US senators who are on our side are also Jewish.
I'm not taking any more denial crap form ANY jews and they will be made to understand that there is a price to pay for their actions which will not be simply forgiven just because they send some filthy rabbi to Armenia as damage control to utter the G word and go back home with mission accomplished. Well that's not enough for me because I know the real jew. The real jew is Shimon Peres who says there was no AG and it's meaningless. The real jew is that Rivka Kohen xxxxx who they sent to Armenia to repeat Peres' words as a response to the Armenian delegation who had just previously gone to israel to ask that they recognize the AG. In know the jews and I know their games. Lezoun voskor chouni, in other words talk is cheap and I don't want to hear BS words about how some individual jew feels our pain while the rest of his coreligionists are embarked on a full scale collective campaign of denials. So there!
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