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  • #11
    No RUDO you need not tell a doctor about a DNA test. You can order it off the internet.

    Here are a few websites:

    https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
    http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/s...emType=PRODUCT - Its only $126.50.
    http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/s...emType=PRODUCT - In the US and Canada its only $107.50.

    However I must warn you that you may find out that you have central Asian (Turkish) ancestry.

    http://www.dna-bioscience.co.uk/
    http://www.dna-bioscience.co.uk/service_ethnicity.shtml

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    • #12
      RUDO

      I am taking back

      It seems we dont need an MRI, cause it's obvious

      Originally posted by Bulgarian
      No RUDO you need not tell a doctor about a DNA test. You can order it off the internet.

      Here are a few websites:

      https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
      http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/s...emType=PRODUCT - Its only $126.50.
      http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/s...emType=PRODUCT - In the US and Canada its only $107.50.

      However I must warn you that you may find out that you have central Asian (Turkish) ancestry.

      http://www.dna-bioscience.co.uk/
      http://www.dna-bioscience.co.uk/service_ethnicity.shtml

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      • #13
        Our very distant past is Prophet Adam and Eve
        Wondering what's yours

        Originally posted by Bulgarian
        RUDO take a DNA test. That can reveal allot about your distant past.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by RUDO
          Yesterday I talked about my grand grand parents of my father.And I learnt that my father's grand grand parents migrated from Dersim(Tunceli)to Bingöl.They were just little children whose parents were all killed.We don't know who they were or why they were killed.While migrating,my grand grand dad was protected by a woman.And the others were all lost.Years later my grand dad found one of them.He became a sunni.However my dad is alevi.And we think that he might be Armenian whose parents were killed then he migrated.But all these are predictions.
          At those times were Kurds in a bad condition like him(grand garnd dad)?might he be Kurd?
          I want to learn your predictions.
          Maybe I am a half Armenian.Who knows!!!

          I remember reading in several sources that the Dersim Kurds were Armenian but converted to Islam in 17th century. They were one of the Kurdish groups that were sympathetic to the plight of Armenians and arranged for the safety of many Armenians during the genocide in the Kharpert region.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          • #15
            As far as I know, at the time of deportations many Kurds took to the liberty to take Armenian girls into custody by converting them muslim, also then marrying them and having children. While by bloodline some Kurds may have Armenian genes, your nationality is defined by the language and the culture you learned from people around you. For example, my mother is a muslim Serb from former Yugoslvia, they escaped at the times of communist regime of Tito to Turkey and married with my father who is a Turk. Though I have two distant bloodlines I grew up in Turkish culture, I speak Turkish thus I am a Turk. Since you grew up with Kurdish dominant culture, you are a Kurd. The idea of nationality, especially in countries like Turkey where cultures interacted with each other deeply, can not be followed by bloodline but by language and culture.

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            • #16
              I know that my father's side came from Caucasus back in 1860s. Same origin also applies to my mother's side.

              My father's family was settled by the Ottomans to Macedonia, and later they had to flee to Anatolia after Balkan War. None of my father's side knew or used to speak any other language or dialect, but the Turkish. They are all muslims, but very liberal ones indeed. As far as I am told, they are Karachay-Balkar (Bolgar) Turks from Caucasus (also known as Circassian Turks).

              My mother's side also fled from Caucasus during Russo-Turco War of 1878. There isnt anybody who could speak or used to speak any other language or dialect other than the Turkish. The elder ones of the family tell that they all came from north of Caucasus, and belonged to the tribes of the Caucasus Turks. They tell that they came from Dagestan, and as far as I have been told they could be either Kumyk Turks or Crimean Tatars fled from Crimea to Dagestan.

              However, I have also friends and relatives married to people from different background, and I believe that some of those must have had some Armenian and Kurdish forefathers or relatives. This could be particularly true for the Armenians who converted to Islam in 16th, 17th and 18th Centuries and moved to Western Turkey from the Ottoman Armenia due to political uncertainities occurred back in the 19th Century.

              I meet a lot of friends who look like Armenians and have very close cultural customs like the Armenians. Interestingly, they all come from Van, Harput, Tunceli, Agri, and so on. Thus, the Kurds had always close relations with the Turks, so their presence is evident in various cities and regions in Turkey. There are also plenty of people I know who have Balkan origin particularly from Bosnia, Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, and Albania. So, some relationship with "others" in relation to the ethnic identity that one bears is possible for everyone in Turkey, I suppose.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by RUDO
                What will I say to doctor?I don't know my nation,so I want a DNA test.He will laugh.Maybe I will do it when I am a bit older.(I am now 17)

                Have you ever been called an Armenian?
                "All truth passes through three stages:
                First, it is ridiculed;
                Second, it is violently opposed; and
                Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                • #18
                  Kurds and Armenians (and Persians) are closely related gentetically and historically. So not sure any genetic test can specifically distinguish one from another per se. Additionally you are correct - many Armenains "became" Kurds to escape Turkish persecution/slaughter. I've heard of Kurdish Christians even Christian Kurdish villages in Turkey...think about it for a bit...and it is no accident that the Turks are continuing thier genocidal campaign against the Kurds much as a continuation of what was done against the Armenians.

                  Several years ago I met a Kurd in Van who (through another Kurd acting as translator) claimed to actually be Armenian. He certainly very much looked as if he might have been Armenian - but many Kurds do eh? Anyway he was very interested in killing someone on my behalf but I declined the offer at the time.

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                  • #19
                    Kurdish Christian villages are a myth(Probably you are talking about the Yezidis)
                    Some ASALA Armenians(Edited by Turque: ASaLA from Lobenon) joined to PKK but nothing other than that.
                    Yes there are Armenians who have Turkish or Kurdish names but in reality they are Armenians but in time they assumed their identities back(like around 1600 of them applied to the court to chang their religon section in their ID cards.

                    And TUrkey's policy towards PKK is because many Kurds are of Armenian origin, it's totally bs(bachalor of science dont get me wrong)level analysis you should've conducted a higher level rsearch on this.
                    Aduvullah Ocalan himself has a Turkish mom and Kurdish dad. I remember when Ocalan was captured by Turkish intelligence commandos, the Armenian websites were lamenting over that, probably those Armenians thoughtthat PKK is carrying out their cause or something.

                    What RUDO is saying is totally different, there were conversions from Armenians to Islam/Alevism before 19th century, in one particular area in Tunceli/Dersim.

                    Originally posted by 1.5 million
                    Kurds and Armenians (and Persians) are closely related gentetically and historically. So not sure any genetic test can specifically distinguish one from another per se. Additionally you are correct - many Armenains "became" Kurds to escape Turkish persecution/slaughter. I've heard of Kurdish Christians even Christian Kurdish villages in Turkey...think about it for a bit...and it is no accident that the Turks are continuing thier genocidal campaign against the Kurds much as a continuation of what was done against the Armenians.

                    Several years ago I met a Kurd in Van who (through another Kurd acting as translator) claimed to actually be Armenian. He certainly very much looked as if he might have been Armenian - but many Kurds do eh? Anyway he was very interested in killing someone on my behalf but I declined the offer at the time.

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                    • #20
                      Interesting why did he offer to kill that person on your behalf?

                      Originally posted by 1.5 million
                      Anyway he was very interested in killing someone on my behalf but I declined the offer at the time.

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