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  • #21
    Originally posted by TurQ
    Interesting why did he offer to kill that person on your behalf?
    Aparently - besides his rather beautiful Kurdish singing - it is what he did best...

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    • #22
      Originally posted by TurQ
      And TUrkey's policy towards PKK is because many Kurds are of Armenian origin, it's totally bs(bachalor of science dont get me wrong)level analysis you should've conducted a higher level rsearch on this.
      I never said this. I said (or what I was trying to say was that) the Turkish campaign to supress/destroy/deny Kurdish culture and eliminate the seperate Kurdish identity is a continuation of the same basic approach that was taken against the Armenians to solidify "Turkish" uncontested hold on Anatolia...

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      • #23
        Yes for some time after the Seyh Said revolt, it happened.
        But not now
        Turks and Kurds are pretty aware of each other, and accept each other, just 2 days ago a TUrkish soldier of Kurdish origin was martyred by PKK, his mom was saying, "I'll give my other boys for this flag, we are Kurdish and PKK cant represent us".

        They are aware of their ethnicty while they whole-heartedly accept Turkish flag to represent their identity. This is true for majority of the Kurds in Turkey.
        I remember when Turkey rocked soccer World Cup in 2002, Diyarbakir people were in the streets celebrating like crazy.

        Anyways Kurds are comfortable of being Turkish citizens despite whats going on.


        Originally posted by 1.5 million
        I never said this. I said (or what I was trying to say was that) the Turkish campaign to supress/destroy/deny Kurdish culture and eliminate the seperate Kurdish identity is a continuation of the same basic approach that was taken against the Armenians to solidify "Turkish" uncontested hold on Anatolia...

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        • #24
          TurQ - don't think you really speak for Kurds - you don't.

          I am not unfamiliar with all you claim....and understand these things - likewise I understand that you are painting only part of the picture - the rosy part.

          I am no fan of the PKK...but to deny that it is the Turks who began this (and who perpetuate it) is false - through their continual supression of the Kurds and Kurdish culture (a direct outgrowth of Kemalism which is in itself a direct outgrowth of CUP racism). Allowing ethnic and specifically Kurdish expression is only something that has occured in the last few years in Turkey. Prior to that it was heavily supressed. Sure - the majority of Kurds have assimilated into Turkish society...consider their alternatives...

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          • #25
            The problem is if there is national security concern the state does not care much for the individual rights, thats one problem.

            And Turkey has changed a lot since CUP's early trials for nationalism.

            We dont call it assimilation, Kurds have always identified themselves with Turks, it is not a new. If I had the English translation of the letter sent by scholar of Kurdish origin Idris-i Bitlisi to Sultan Yavuz Selim han, I would have posted here. But basically Kurds have always indentified themselves with Turks and Turks had no problem with Kurds of being Kurds, yes they are ethnicially different, but when I talk with a Kurd I dont have the feeling of speaking with a foreigner, eventhouh they might talk Kurdish among them.

            Some elistists in TUrkey might not like Kurds because they mostly live in rural areas but it's not a racial thing it is like being in upper class stupidity.

            Originally posted by 1.5 million
            TurQ - don't think you really speak for Kurds - you don't.

            I am not unfamiliar with all you claim....and understand these things - likewise I understand that you are painting only part of the picture - the rosy part.

            I am no fan of the PKK...but to deny that it is the Turks who began this (and who perpetuate it) is false - through their continual supression of the Kurds and Kurdish culture (a direct outgrowth of Kemalism which is in itself a direct outgrowth of CUP racism). Allowing ethnic and specifically Kurdish expression is only something that has occured in the last few years in Turkey. Prior to that it was heavily supressed. Sure - the majority of Kurds have assimilated into Turkish society...consider their alternatives...

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Joseph
              I remember reading in several sources that the Dersim Kurds were Armenian but converted to Islam in 17th century. They were one of the Kurdish groups that were sympathetic to the plight of Armenians and arranged for the safety of many Armenians during the genocide in the Kharpert region.
              You misunderstood me.I am talking about 1915 and WW1 times not 17th century.

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              • #27
                Since you grew up with Kurdish dominant culture, you are a Kurd. The idea of nationality, especially in countries like Turkey where cultures interacted with each other deeply, can not be followed by bloodline but by language and culture.
                Yes I have grown with Kurdish culture.But I want to be sure about my ancestors.If I am half Armenian,I will be very proud.Because I will be the mix of two great nations of the East.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by TurQ
                  Our very distant past is Prophet Adam and Eve
                  Wondering what's yours
                  My distant past is monkeys,TurQ. not Prophet Adam and Eve.

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                  • #29
                    Yes I have grown with Kurdish culture.But I want to be sure about my ancestors.If I am half Armenian,I will be very proud.Because I will be the mix of two great nations of the East.
                    If that is really your wish then I would advise you to begin with seraching your grand-grand mother's ethnicity, if you can not reach that information then your only choice will be DNA test. Though you will have a hard time to persuade any doctor in Turkey to run such a test. Anyways good luck to you...

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                    • #30
                      Rudo I suggest you go see some elderly Armenians and visit with them I think you will feel it inside if your blood draws close to them.Theres a unique feeling of being Armenian when 2 Armenians meet no matter what different cultures they were raised in.
                      "All truth passes through three stages:
                      First, it is ridiculed;
                      Second, it is violently opposed; and
                      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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