Hello I am new here

[PersianLion]

Hello im "persianlion" and i come here because how Armenia has close ties with Persians/Iranics, like Culture, music, food and etc. "We are one" - Serj Tankian/Buckethead. XD

Also i like to read about the genocide.

[lal]

Welcome, we must overcome.

ı dont think we can solve the problems between us. because they are too difficult to solve. besides ,neither armenia nor turkey or azarbeycan are economicly strong and politicly independent countries.

when you are weak, some other strong ones direct you.this is the rule of nature. our boss is usa.

and religons are very good tools used for this ugly power struggles.

all armenians converted to islam in turkey are now first class citizen turks. nobody question their past.this is a proof that it was not a racial or not even a national fight.

both islam and christianity are imperialist man made evil ideologies.

in turkey 70% of women cover their heads. this is embarrassing. you know our leaders wifes and children. they worship to the imaginary sultan of the universe.

ı think instead of fighting with each others we must fight against evil ideology of islam and christianity and judaizm all together.

and yes, there is no freedom in SO CALLED SECULAR turkey. if ı say these openly,ım sure some good muslims will kill me.

[bell-the-cat]

You are simply wrong and uninformed .

He/she is totally correct. I think you should have read more carefully what lal wrote before you jumped.

[bell-the-cat]

all armenians converted to islam in turkey are now first class citizen turks. nobody question their past.this is a proof that it was not a racial or not even a national fight.

You are not correct there, though. In Turkey there have been plenty of recent examples where alleging someone has "Armenian blood" in their ancestry is used a way of discrediting them. Examples, from last year, were the police-chief of Malatya, and the head of Van university.

[lal]

You are not correct there, though. In Turkey there have been plenty of recent examples where alleging someone has "Armenian blood" in their ancestry is used a way of discrediting them. Examples, from last year, were the police-chief of Malatya, and the head of Van university.

true,the word**armenian ** is an insult (well,almost) in turkey.But if you become a muslim ,you will become a turk ,you cant be an armenian any more.than turks will consider this as a great victory.another muslim to arab side.

but regarless if you are an armenian or australian or hindu,your age or your real feelings in your heart, if you can openly declare that you are a muslim Turk, now on,then,at that moment you are considered a good Turkish citizen.Ofcourse if you are a girl, you have to cover your head with arabic style turban,you must be very careful than no men can see your hair under your small brain and if you are a male you will get a penis surgery definitely regardless of your age and you will dance Turkish style **or gypsy style*and drink raki that yourturban head wife brings to you.raki, alcohol is no sin for most hypocrat muslim turks.

An armenian cant be a muslim and a turk cant be a christian.

We fought and killed and raped and stole only for evil arabic cult.And we got nothing,we only lost beautiful people,our relatives.

what kind of peace we can get with this ugly minds?

[bell-the-cat]

true,the word**armenian ** is an insult (well,almost) in turkey.But if you become a muslim ,you will become a turk ,you cant be an armenian any more.than turks will consider this as a great victory.another muslim to arab side.

but regarless if you are an armenian or australian or hindu,your age or your real feelings in your heart, if you can openly declare that you are a muslim Turk, now on,then,at that moment you are considered a good Turkish citizen.Ofcourse if you are a girl, you have to cover your head with arabic style turban,you must be very careful than no men can see your hair under your small brain and if you are a male you will get a penis surgery definitely regardless of your age and you will dance Turkish style **or gypsy style*and drink raki that yourturban head wife brings to you.raki, alcohol is no sin for most hypocrat muslim turks.

An armenian cant be a muslim and a turk cant be a christian.

We fought and killed and raped and stole only for evil arabic cult.And we got nothing,we only lost beautiful people,our relatives.

what kind of peace we can get with this ugly minds?

It's true that "Armenian" is used sometimes in Turkey as an insult when no actual Armenian ancestry is present. However, the cases I mentioned were people who were being attacked by being accused of having actual Armenian ancestry. In otherwords, those doing the attacking were doing it because they believed that having Armenian ancestry precluded those people from having any place in Turkish society, regardless of whether they were Muslim.

As for Islam, nobody knows how to cure that self-inflicted disease! But at least Turkey doesn't have it as bad as some other countries.

BTW
"Lal" can mean "ruby lips", so am I right to guess that you are female (and probably an un-headscarfed one ).

[lal]

It's true that "Armenian" is used sometimes in Turkey as an insult when no actual Armenian ancestry is present. However, the cases I mentioned were people who were being attacked by being accused of having actual Armenian ancestry. In otherwords, those doing the attacking were doing it because they believed that having Armenian ancestry precluded those people from having any place in Turkish society, regardless of whether they were Muslim.

As for Islam, nobody knows how to cure that self-inflicted disease! But at least Turkey doesn't have it as bad as some other countries.

BTW
"Lal" can mean "ruby lips", so am I right to guess that you are female (and probably an un-headscarfed one ).

I know one thing for sure. Turkey is the most religous, islamic country in the world. Women are second class **or maybe third class after gays**creatures here. they are smacked,humiliated and in the villages they work and men sit in their coffe houses. arabs and İranians respect their women more than barbaric Turkish men.İf someday, women can become the majority in the Turkish parliment ,there will be no more Armenian -turkish conflict.Or Kurd conflict. Because women are millions of times more sensitive than men. Men always will want fight ,women will choose peace.


By now, you must feel that ı write what ı feel. I dont want to be defensive ,but turks are really not racial racists at all. Turks are extremely ,sickly cultural racists in where islam is the major part of the identity. This means that an armenian probably will be even more welcomed if he chooses islam and naturally becomes a Turk.

Even if you heard things like that ,as having Armenian ancestery is something to be cursed in Turkey,this is not true. Because there are millions of Turks who openly accept that they have Armenian or greek ancestors. All DNA tests proove this anyways. ı have Greek ancestors .

we have to know the real reason behind the darkness of history. Why we hate each other and why still we do.

I know the reason. I hope few of you also can get it. And believe me it is not only islam,you have that disease also.

best regards.

[bell-the-cat]

I know one thing for sure. Turkey is the most religous, islamic country in the world. Women are second class **or maybe third class after gays**creatures here. they are smacked,humiliated and in the villages they work and men sit in their coffe houses. arabs and İranians respect their women more than barbaric Turkish men.İf someday, women can become the majority in the Turkish parliment ,there will be no more Armenian -turkish conflict.Or Kurd conflict. Because women are millions of times more sensitive than men. Men always will want fight ,women will choose peace.

Come on, Turkey, especially for women, is in no way as bad as places like Egypt, or Iran, or hell-holes like Pakistan or Afghanistan. On the surface, maybe, Turkey seems to be very Islamic but a lot of that is because it is a relatively wealthy place so there can be bookshops full of Islamic tracts and lots of new mosques and Islamic TV-stations and newspapers, etc. But that very wealth also makes places for alternatives to Islam, and it is certainly possible to live in Turkey and have minimal interference from Islam.

But of course I agree that the majority of Turks still live under the negative influence of Islam, and for the majority of women it is a very constricting influence.

But, if women are really so much more "sensitive" and "reasonable" than men, then why have they not used their influence in child-rearing to change society?

By now, you must feel that ı write what ı feel. I dont want to be defensive ,but turks are really not racial racists at all. Turks are extremely ,sickly cultural racists in where islam is the major part of the identity. This means that an armenian probably will be even more welcomed if he chooses islam and naturally becomes a Turk.

Even if you heard things like that ,as having Armenian ancestery is something to be cursed in Turkey,this is not true. Because there are millions of Turks who openly accept that they have Armenian or greek ancestors. All DNA tests proove this anyways. ı have Greek ancestors .

That's because there are very few true ethnic Turks in Turkey - almost everyone who is now Turkish had, at some point in history, ancestors who were not Turkish. That's why the Ottoman empire was so successful in its conquests - anyone who wanted to be on the winning side joined up with the empire's forces, and they were welcomed as long as they converted to Islam, and often it didn't even have to be a real conversion. It's only when the successes stopped happening, and the Ottoman empire ceased to flourish, that race became important. That combined with Islam produced lethal results.

we have to know the real reason behind the darkness of history. Why we hate each other and why still we do.

I know the reason. I hope few of you also can get it. And believe me it is not only islam,you have that disease also.

best regards.

Of course.

As for religion, personally no. I am one of the few who are immune to the disease. I don't need intellectual or evidencial reasons to reject religion because "reject" implies that either I had once accepted it or had the possibility of accepting it.

[lal]

Come on, Turkey, especially for women, is in no way as bad as places like Egypt, or Iran, or hell-holes like Pakistan or Afghanistan.


I insist that Turkey is the most islamic country of the world. pakistan,egypt and others are living under dictatorships and its not their choice to live like that. once those muslim countries living under dictaterships ,especially iran, you might be surprised to see that they might leave islam in masses.Dont compare it by the way we live.

İn Turkey ,people themselves freely choose to be the most cultural islamics. turks consider themselves as the pitbulls of defending islam. People are so deeply muslims that surveys show that only 2% are atheists or agnostics here.This is making me sick. ı simply hate islams or all religons- evil.


That's because there are very few true ethnic Turks in Turkey - almost everyone who is now Turkish had, at some point in history, ancestors who were not Turkish. That's why the Ottoman empire was so successful in its conquests - anyone who wanted to be on the winning side joined up with the empire's forces, and they were welcomed as long as they converted to Islam, and often it didn't even have to be a real conversion. It's only when the successes stopped happening, and the Ottoman empire ceased to flourish, that race became important. That combined with Islam produced lethal results.


ı completely agree. But this is the proof that today Turks still dont have race or racial racizm. anyway,if you walk on the street and dont tell that you are an Armenian who can understand it.


Of course.

As for religion, personally no. I am one of the few who are immune to the disease. I don't need intellectual or evidencial reasons to reject religion because "reject" implies that either I had once accepted it or had the possibility of accepting it.



You are my friend. Only if people increase,like you and me, we can bring real,honest peace to the world. And only then, ı can naturally consider you as my sister or brother and millions of times apologize for everything happened to your people.

May be we are not too many, But believe me, we will all be one some day. We will not be proud of being muslim or christian or turk or armenian. We will be proud of being a good, loving,sharing humans.

Peace.

[imported_crusader1492]

[B]

May be we are not too many, But believe me, we will all be one some day. We will not be proud of being muslim or christian or turk or armenian. We will be proud of being a good, loving,sharing humans.

Peace.

On the surface you sound sincere and almost endearing. However, what truly bothers me about you convictions is your moral relativism. In other words, you convey that Armenians and Turks are equally responsible for the crimes (and ongoing crimes) of the Ottoman Empire (and modern day Turkey).

Simply put, this is not the case. There is a definite perpetrator and victim when it comes to the shared history of Turks and Armenians .

Do not obfuscate history with word such as "Armenians and Turks have the same disease".
I insist this is not the case. In 1915, Genocide was committed by Turks against Armenians. Today, blockades and political intimidation is committed against the Armenian state by the Turkish state (need I go on?).

Please do not attempt to lump Armenians in with the moral degeneration and grey wolf mentality rampant among Turks...the comparison is invalid.

In the past, Turks were labeled the "sick man of Europe" for a reason...Today, I see no evidence of recuperation.