Hello I am new here

[imported_crusader1492]

At least be honest. There was nothing rhetorical in your words, and you are not interested in furthering dialogue.

Actually I am quite honest. This is the Armenian Genocide Forum - not the United Nations. Lal has no power to return lands.

Please get over yourself...you are probably not as smart as you think and you are definately not clairvoyant.

[lal]

Brother the intolarance comes from (btw every people from M.east has these desease including some of our own) having being oppressed tatooed in their genes, so the oppressed becomes the opressor given the chance.That is the desease and has no cure unless you are aware of it and take steps .

actually, belonging to 2 % of the atheist population of a country, being a vegeteran in a muslim country where they openly cut the throats of sheeps and cows on the streets in every chance,in a militarist country where others are not allowed to talk much, ı consider myself a minority.

also as a turk who walked almost 10 km, holding the pancarte saying ''ı am an armenian, ı am hrant** ı have no tolarance of taking a lecture from a typical diaspora armenian.

true,ım a middle eastern person and when ı am questioned with very silly questions like why dont turks give lands to armenians,ı might be unable to keep my tolarant moode up ,but ı certainly dont came here to preach hatred.

[Gavur]

She said, quote "everyone in Turkey".

I think by now we both know who did the leaping and reaching don't we Vangadu.

[Gavur]

actually, belonging to 2 % of the atheist population of a country, being a vegeteran in a muslim country where they openly cut the throats of sheeps and cows on the streets in every chance,in a militarist country where others are not allowed to talk much, ı consider myself a minority.

also as a turk who walked almost 10 km, holding the pancarte saying ''ı am an armenian, ı am hrant** ı have no tolarance of taking a lecture from a typical diaspora armenian.

true,ım a middle eastern person and when ı am questioned with very silly questions like why dont turks give lands to armenians,ı might be unable to keep my tolarant moode up ,but ı certainly dont came here to preach hatred.

This is a good first step ,hopefully the benefits will be acquired from the next generation when you tell them the courage you showed maybe not as a racial minority but a intelectual one as it should be,marchon!

[imported_crusader1492]

actually, belonging to 2 % of the atheist population of a country, being a vegeteran in a muslim country where they openly cut the throats of sheeps and cows on the streets in every chance,in a militarist country where others are not allowed to talk much, ı consider myself a minority.

also as a turk who walked almost 10 km, holding the pancarte saying ''ı am an armenian, ı am hrant** ı have no tolarance of taking a lecture from a typical diaspora armenian.

true,ım a middle eastern person and when ı am questioned with very silly questions like why dont turks give lands to armenians,ı might be unable to keep my tolarant moode up ,but ı certainly dont came here to preach hatred.

Be careful with the vegetarian diet. You will need to take iron suppliments, especially if you are going to walk 10 km chanting "I'm Armenian"...I would not want you to faint.

Consider this advise (not a lecture) from a "typical diaspora Armenian"

[bell-the-cat]

actually, belonging to 2 % of the atheist population of a country, being a vegeteran in a muslim country where they openly cut the throats of sheeps and cows on the streets in every chance,in a militarist country where others are not allowed to talk much, ı consider myself a minority.

also as a turk who walked almost 10 km, holding the pancarte saying ''ı am an armenian, ı am hrant** ı have no tolarance of taking a lecture from a typical diaspora armenian.

true,ım a middle eastern person and when ı am questioned with very silly questions like why dont turks give lands to armenians,ı might be unable to keep my tolarant moode up ,but ı certainly dont came here to preach hatred.

I bet you didn't do that 10km of walking for Armenia, or for Armenians.

You did it because you were brave enough to do it and you did it for Turkey, because you did not want the society that murdered Dink to prosper, (and I bet a little of it was for the pleasure of being amongst a lot of people who think the same as you). They were the right reasons to do it.

It should be the same for recognising the Armenian genocide and acknowledging all of the past history of Turkey. Do it for yourself and for Turkish society, because honesty is always better than self-dillusion and the ill-effects a self-deluded society will suffer from.

Don't do it for Armenians, especially not for the sort of Armenians you will encounter online. No matter what you say, they will, in the end, always want more, always doubt your good faith, always insult you.

The sad truth is that key elements of the Armenian diaspora oppose and dislike those who agree 90% with their position far more than those who disagree 100% with it. This is because dealing with someone who agrees 90% with you requires thought and sublety and compromise and perhaps the admittance that you yourself are not 100% correct. It is easy to oppose someone if they are entirely opposed to your position.

[imported_crusader1492]

This is a good first step ,hopefully the benefits will be acquired from the next generation when you tell them the courage you showed maybe not as a racial minority but a intelectual one as it should be,marchon!

I'm not optimistic about the "next generation"...they are already lost:

http://blogian.hayastan.com/2008/01/14/hrant-dink-and-abused-turkish-babies/

Maybe the following generation...one can hope.

[imported_crusader1492]

I bet you didn't do that 10km of walking for Armenia, or for Armenians.

You did it because you were brave enough to do it and you did it for Turkey, because you did not want the society that murdered Dink to prosper, (and I bet a little of it was for the pleasure of being amongst a lot of people who think the same as you). They were the right reasons to do it.

It should be the same for recognising the Armenian genocide and acknowledging all of the past history of Turkey. Do it for yourself and for Turkish society, because honesty is always better than self-dillusion and the ill-effects a self-deluded society will suffer from.

Don't do it for Armenians, especially not for the sort of Armenians you will encounter online. No matter what you say, they will, in the end, always want more, always doubt your good faith, always insult you.

The sad truth is that key elements of the Armenian diaspora oppose and dislike those who agree 90% with their position far more than those who disagree 100% with it. This is because dealing with someone who agrees 90% with you requires thought and sublety and compromise and perhaps the admittance that you yourself are not 100% correct. It is easy to oppose someone if they are entirely opposed to your position.

Last April 23 and 24th, I was in Yerevan and walked about 10 km (both nights) to Tsitsernagabert to commemorate the Genocide.

Would you like to give me a pep talk too?

[bell-the-cat]

Last April 23 and 24th, I was in Yerevan and walked about 10 km (both nights) to Tsitsernagabert to commemorate the Genocide.

Would you like to give me a pep talk too?

The only thing I'll give to you is my scorn.

[imported_crusader1492]

The only thing I'll give to you is my scorn.

Apparently, you have plenty of that to give.