Armenian genocide from a Turk's point of view

[Steph]

However as you full well now there are many different books, and so of them do contradict each other at times.

My personal belief is that they came as traders from the Balkans or Gaul and settled there, whether they remained for a while after the 700 tenure, intermarried, died out or moved away I cannot say with surety, much of Celtic history is fairly obscured due to contains invasions in areas where Celts settled or lived on as their countries, for instance much of the history of Gaulish France is obscure and a lot of Welsh history was lost during the Roman and Anglo/Saxon invasion.

Evidence though so far does not show any link between Celts and Kazakhstan that I know of

Yeah, I look at areas probably inhabited/settled by Celts including : Galatia, Galicia (both), Gaul, Pay des Galles (Wales) etc. The Celts were very widespread and probably intermarried with other peoples, just like recent times! Regarding lost British history, have you looked up the Kingdom of Strathclyde? The Romans didn't penetrate Wales too much mainly along the northern coast though as far as Anglesey (Ynys Mon). The Anglo-Saxons & Jutes were probably less of a problem for the Welsh than the Normans were.

[Steph]

Evidence though so far does not show any link between Celts and Kazakhstan that I know of

I've a book on my shelves "The Mummies of Urumchi" by Elizabeth Wayland Barber. (ISBN 0 333 73024 0)

It concerns the unearthing of burial tombs containing mummified remains in Western China (Chinese Turkmenistan), the mummies appear to have ginger/red hair and fragments of clothing shows a distinct tartan pattern. These tombs date back 4,000 years.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

No

Haven't looked it up yet, with Celtic history my knowledge extends mostly to the Gaels, partly in thanks to my uncle who was very proud of heritage.

The Anglo Saxons were in general not as bad with the Welsh, however the thing is is that most of modern England was originally Breton, whereas now its majority Anglo/Saxon, which kinda gives an idea how much territory was lost.

I agree the Norman/Viking armies were quite a problem.

Regarding the Gaelic side, England started seriously posing a threat from about the Cromwellian era, right until of course the nefarious Black and Tans, which thankfully were expelled due to Valera and slightly less Collins

[Steph]

Haven't looked it up yet, with Celtic history my knowledge extends mostly to the Gaels, partly in thanks to my uncle who was very proud of heritage.

The Anglo Saxons were in general not as bad with the Welsh, however the thing is is that most of modern England was originally Breton, whereas now its majority Anglo/Saxon, which kinda gives an idea how much territory was lost.

I agree the Norman/Viking armies were quite a problem.

Regarding the Gaelic side, England started seriously posing a threat from about the Cromwellian era, right until of course the nefarious Black and Tans, which thankfully were expelled due to Valera and slightly less Collins

A large number of the Black & Tans were actually Scottish protestants.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

I know

Even worse is the commader of the forces, Lt Colonel Gerald Smyth's mother was Irish from Banbridge, County Down, to quote his friendly words :

"Police and military will patrol the country roads at least five nights a week. They are not to confine themselves to the main roads but make across the country, lie in ambush, take cover behind fences near roads, and when civilians are seen approaching shout: 'Hands up!' Should the order be not obeyed, shoot, and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching carry their hands in their pockets or are in any way suspicious looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped and you are bound to get the right persons sometimes. The more you shoot the better I will like you; and I assure you that no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man and I will guarantee that your names will not be given at the inquest.”

Makes a person horrifyed that your own people can help in your oppression

[bell-the-cat]

Haven't looked it up yet, with Celtic history my knowledge extends mostly to the Gaels, partly in thanks to my uncle who was very proud of heritage.

The Anglo Saxons were in general not as bad with the Welsh, however the thing is is that most of modern England was originally Breton, whereas now its majority Anglo/Saxon, which kinda gives an idea how much territory was lost.

I agree the Norman/Viking armies were quite a problem.

Regarding the Gaelic side, England started seriously posing a threat from about the Cromwellian era, right until of course the nefarious Black and Tans, which thankfully were expelled due to Valera and slightly less Collins

DNA studies have shown that until mass imigration started in the 1990s, the genetic makeup of the British isles had not changed substantially in 2000 years. What you call "Celts" were never inhabitants of the British Isles. Angles and Saxons made only a small genetic impact, Vikings made even less.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Okay

Bell thats interesting, but can you provide any links to support that claim.

Also please note that in the meeting of the clans I can never recall any of Windsors, Smiths, Kings or Spencers, more like MacFarlanes, MacDougals, Murrays, etc.

I dunno how you mean that the Celts did not reach the British isles first,
from I can remember we are the first inhabitants

[bell-the-cat]

Bell thats interesting, but can you provide any links to support that claim.

Also please note that in the meeting of the clans I can never recall any of Windsors, Smiths, Kings or Spencers, more like MacFarlanes, MacDougals, Murrays, etc.

I dunno how you mean that the Celts did not reach the British isles first,
from I can remember we are the first inhabitants

Here is a passage from Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celt

The Celtic invasion of the British Isles is difficult to document genetically. Two published books - The Blood of the Isles by Bryan Sykes and The Origins of the British: a Genetic Detective Story by Stephen Oppenheimer - are based upon recent genetic studies, and show that the vast majority of Britons have ancestors from the Iberian Peninsula, as a result of a series of migrations that took place during the Mesolithic and, to a lesser extent, the Neolithic eras.[18][19]

Sykes sees little genetic evidence relating to people from the heartland of the Hallstatt and La Tene cultures. On the paternal side he finds that the "Oisin" (R1b) clan is in the majority which has strong affinities to Iberia, with no evidence of a large scale arrival from Central Europe. He considers that the genetic structure of Britain and Ireland is "Celtic, if by that we mean descent from people who were here before the Romans and who spoke a Celtic language." But this language was the result of diffusion rather than migration, and the vast majority of the inhabitants of the British Isles, whether they consider themselves to be "Anglo Saxon", "Celt" or otherwise, are descended from the original Mesolithic hunger-gatherers who migrated north from Iberia approximately 13,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age.

And here is something about later migrations. http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/capelli2_CB.pdf

[Joseph]

Here is a passage from Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celt



And here is something about later migrations. http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/capelli2_CB.pdf

Bell!!! You're using wikipedia as a source!

[Eti]

Lal, you have a nice point of view about the events. I loved your posts big time.