Discussion Thread

[hipeter924]

Quite the contrary amigo, Azerbaijan's status is likely to be elevated in the next decade as the darling of the West. One reason only: Oil (aka black gold). And with increased wealth comes status, friends and influence. As my friend Tony Montana likes to say:
"..you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

This could prove all very problematic for resource poor Armenia in the future.

I think Armenia is best to focus on information technology, science, culture and put its natural resources second. Why? Because in all resource poor areas that have wealth they have gone into these sorts of sectors, its worthwhile too because once you have wealth you gain more influence.

Because realistically Armenia can't compete in manufacturing. However in science, information technology and culture Armenia (considering previous history of science and culture) could do really well in those areas. Also think about it? If you have great computer tech and good science? Can Turkey really turn its back on Armenia then?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

America was not too friendly with its indigenous people and its foreign policy does suck, however I think Obama can change this, he wants the Genocide recognised and has good relations so far with indigenous Americans and Xicanos. Also if I remember correctly he wants the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe (hopefully) Obama will stop discrimination in America and support Armenia.

Hopefully he limits Azeri power too and doesn't go into a senility attack against Russia like dearest McCain did (regardng Georgia)

[hipeter924]

America was not too friendly with its indigenous people and its foreign policy does suck, however I think Obama can change this, he wants the Genocide recognised and has good relations so far with indigenous Americans and Xicanos. Also if I remember correctly he wants the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe (hopefully) Obama will stop discrimination in America and support Armenia.

Hopefully he limits Azeri power too and doesn't go into a senility attack against Russia like dearest McCain did (regardng Georgia)

Not sure about Obama now, considering his latest appointments there is a possibility of return to the Clinton years (many of his new staff are Bill Clinton's staff), also not all of the military staff have changed - there are still a lot of Pro-Bush people.

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

Would you like to elaborate more about your uncontrolled ranting here. Do you blame Muslim on Muslim violence strictly on USA? I will be the first one to hold the Bush’s administration and their Neo-con buddies responsible for their mistakes in ME but to imply that America was out to kill millions of people without guilt nor remorse shows your blind hatred of US and how little you understand US politics and what the US constitution stands for. This is typical of Arab point of view who always blame their shortcomings on the US and Israel.

Turkey exterminates its own citizens; you don’t see US doing that, do you? No matter how much Turkey threatens Washington, bribes US officials and spends millions lobbying against the AG recognition in US it will not work forever. We don’t care if this makes no difference in Armenia/Turkish relations or if it is just symbolic or has no value.

WE WANT IT!! Is that simple enough to understand?

And we will get it, one way or another. There are many honorable Americans who back us up and the list is growing and the world is getting tired of this Turkish government’s appalling conduct in the world stage.

I agree, demanding the recognition of AG by US government is a RIGHT of more than 1.000.000 Armenian US citizens. They WANT it and they WILL GET IT!

Does it matter what is moral value of it from Turkish point of view? Turks and morale are very incompatible things… What about the morale value of it from Armenian point of view?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

I saw that

Not sure about Obama now, considering his latest appointments there is a possibility of return to the Clinton years (many of his new staff are Bill Clinton's staff), also not all of the military staff have changed - there are still a lot of Pro-Bush people.

I actually just read it now as you were posting this on Yahoo, not encouraging, makes you nervous that America has been betrayed (again)

[hipeter924]

I actually just read it now as you were posting this on Yahoo, not encouraging, makes you nervous that America has been betrayed (again)

Well realistically you can't expect too much change, I think merely electing a African (Kenyan) American President was a big leap for somewhere like the US, especially with racial prejudice towards African American's still rampant in some parts of the south.

[Sako]

That's just one more thing that has to change. Racial discrimination and Genocide are very serious issues and I'm against anyone that doesn't fight for the end of them. Turkey also has a bunch of racial issues and it has to end.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Agreed bro, racial discrimination is often what leads to Genocide, they go hand in hand,
Pan Turkism was partially responsible for the Armenian Genocide, Nazism for the Holocaust,
Manifest Destiny against Amerinds, etc.

The thing is while Turkey has a smily image at times, its government is still rooted in deep nationalism which sometimes manifests back to the old xxxkurtlar way of thinking.
Turkey needs to seriously change before I think it will be very safe for Armenians in Turkey

[Sako]

Yeah, you know Pedro I sometimes feel that even after the Genocide is recognized, we will need sometime to get used to it all, both Turks and Armenians. Plus, many new problems will arise, not just political. It will take some time before Armenians will be safe in Turkey and the morals of the real Turks change. It's become a life's pursuit for many to simply continue denying the Genocide and becoming enemies with Armenians. Imagine not being able to anymore. A lot is going to change, that's for sure, molitically, ethically, morally, and socially.

[lal]

Ferdi, Armenia is not resource poor. It has resourceful people all around the world. That's a resource that will never dry up. Azeri oil will dry up in 100 years. To give you a small example, in this year of enormous economic malaise, the Armenia Fund raised $40,000,000 for Armenia almost exclusively from diasporan Armenians. That was more than double what was raised last year. And that in a year in which the world is teatering on an economic depression.

you said that you left turkey recently if ım not wrong. many armenians who have never seen turkey may have wrong opinions about armenian issue in turkey . we have to hear from you more often. you can be more objective and tell us how is life in turkey being an armenian. is it very painful?

many armenians think that in short period,turkey will admit AG. they even make plans about what must be done afterwards. But in turkey ı cant see even smallest sign of such a thing. ı mean, there is not even a real sympathy towards armenians. unless turkish people are properly informed about the issue, and meet armenians culturally and remind that they lived with us for centuries and all these ruins of churches in thousands of villages belong to them,how can people understand the issue.

ı simply dont understand ,how AG can be accepted by turkey if turks are not convinced about it.even if all the world call it a genocide, which turkish government can accept this?

a campaign of ''positive armenian'' must start in turkey.everything good about armenians must be shown to turks.

armenia is a real tiny country. 72 million people live in turkey. and total of armenia is less than 3 million. purchasing power parity of armenia is 17,17 billion dollars while turkey is 853,9 billion dollars( usa is 13,580 trillion dollars)

even gdp per capita is very low in armenia. 12,00 dollars per peson in turkey and 5,800 dollars in armenia.

also please read.


current situation: Armenia is primarily a source country for women and girls trafficked to the UAE and Turkey for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation; Armenian men and women are trafficked to Turkey and Russia for the purpose of forced labor
tier rating: Tier 2 Watch List - Armenia is placed on the Tier 2 Watch List for a fourth consecutive year; its efforts to increase compliance with the minimum standards were assessed based on its commitments to undertake future actions, particularly in the areas of improving victim protection and assistance; while the government elevated anti-trafficking responsibilities to the ministerial level, adopted a new National Action Plan, and drafted a National Referral Mechanism, it has yet to show tangible progress in identifying and protecting victims or in tackling trafficking complicity of government officials; the Armenian Government made some notable improvements in its anti-trafficking law enforcement efforts, but it failed to demonstrate evidence of investigations, prosecutions, convictions, and sentences of officials complicit in trafficking (2008)
source

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2196.html

situation in armenia is not as diaspora armenians want to see. numbers show the reality.why doesnt diaspora armenians move to armenia?


what ım trying to say is not intimidate armenians. but it is not realistic to expect to beat turkey under these conditions.

the only way to make turkish state to accept AG is to ally with turks inside turkey who want to live in a more democratic country. armenians are not foreigners to turks who have roots outside of turkey. we can work and fight together about this huge injustice done against you friends.we must change the extreme nationalist-also islamist wierd turkish system together.but we friendly turks who want justice can not ally with todays imperialist powers which is against to all our political views. what happened to armenians was a result of ottoman empires evil imperialist attitude. now armenians must not expect anything from todays evil imperialist power,even if you happen to live among them.you people belong to anatolia and must come back here.


lal