Genocide

[Jos]

Re: Genocide

alpixoid, same as Eddo said, your country morally looks very bad in-front of the whole world because when denying the Armenian Genocide committed by turkey and turkey alone, they are continuing the Genocide, as the last phase of the Genocide is denial.

Also, your country is always looking to get into the European Union. And why do you think the European Union doesn't want turkey to get in it? Because turkey had a very belligerent past and the Europeans are always fledgling the red flag in-front of turkey's eyes. Meaning, the Armenian Genocide is the most important factor that Europe doesn't want turkey to be part of their union, and naturally Europeans knowing the real facts, they are letting turkey know that they should do reparations to Armenia and Armenians. That's the reason why Erdogun went to Armenia to play AS IF political reconciliation with Armenia and the football diplomacy to show to the Europeans that they are trying. But turkey failed again as they pushed their agendas time and time again to pass the illegal Kars Treaty, overlooking the legalized Sevres Treaty and the Wilson Arbitration.

Turkey along with "azerbaijan" are also pushing for Nagorno-Karapagh Artsakh lands that Stalin simply gave it away to the "azeris" to please attaturk and we only fought back to the "azeri" genocidal pogroms from 1988-1992 and we won the war, still Erdogan and the "azeris" are pushing and pushing to take over those lands or most of these lands to simply steal and own them, even though we won the war. What turkey and "azerbaijan" really want is to take over all of Armenia and Nagorno-Karapagh. To either kill all the Armenians or send them away so that turkey and "azerbaijan" can realize their idiotic wet dreams of pan-turism.

Armenia MUST NOT accept any friendship from turkey when a HUGE GENOCIDE issue is hanging over turkey as they continue to deny it. Turkey MUST accept the Genocide and MUST adhere to the Wilson Arbitration. Meaning to give our lands back to the owners - that is to us Armenians, the real landlords of the land - !!!!!

Minor correction Anoush, it was Gul (the President) who visited Yerevan and not Erdogan (the PM) following the Serzh Sargsyan invitation.

Secondly, how exactly do you expect Wilsonian arbitration or the Sevres Treaty to be implemented today boy genius? In the absence of ethnic cleansing on a massive scale, Turks & Kurds would end up being the majority of the population of the new expanded Armenian state. You would basically be handing over the present day Armenia on a silver platter to the Turks who could simply take over democratically by weight of numbers.

[UrMistake]

Re: Genocide

Relocations dose it ring any bells?
And no Kurd nor Turk will have the right to vote.Other minority's will vote,the country will have similar struction of an federation,so the benefits of people will be protected.
Examples u can take from USA.

I have already a ticket for u just in case.

[Pazooki]

Re: Genocide??..

WOW indeed Pazooki, incredible memory for a 4 year old child.

Her parents told her everything that occured. I doubt a 4 year old could remember that stuff.

[Anoush]

Re: Genocide

Minor correction Anoush, it was Gul (the President) who visited Yerevan and not Erdogan (the PM) following the Serzh Sargsyan invitation.

Secondly, how exactly do you expect Wilsonian arbitration or the Sevres Treaty to be implemented today boy genius? In the absence of ethnic cleansing on a massive scale, Turks & Kurds would end up being the majority of the population of the new expanded Armenian state. You would basically be handing over the present day Armenia on a silver platter to the Turks who could simply take over democratically by weight of numbers.

Btw, an answer already has been given you above and yes the country can be controlled by the government who is controlling it. It can be done boy genious.

Jos, are you a turk?

[Jos]

Re: Genocide??..

Her parents told her everything that occured. I doubt a 4 year old could remember that stuff.

Her parents told her, and she told your parents, and your parents told you and on on.....

Have you ever played a game called Chinese whispers? Passing second information more often than not confirms the unreliability of human recollection.

[Jos]

Re: Genocide

Relocations dose it ring any bells?
And no Kurd nor Turk will have the right to vote.Other minority's will vote,the country will have similar struction of an federation,so the benefits of people will be protected.
Examples u can take from USA.

OK whatever you say, that really makes sense ? ....

"similar struction of an federation,so the benefits of people will be protected"

[Anoush]

Re: Genocide??..

Her parents told her, and she told your parents, and your parents told you and on on.....

Have you ever played a game called Chinese whispers? Passing second information more often than not confirms the unreliability of human recollection.

Jos you seem to be warped too and into denial, and if you are into denial get the hell out of here!!!

[alpixoid]

Re: Genocide??..

What i really meant by brainwashed is that whole the world recognize the genocide so by u whole world is brainwashed.
"were taking good care" what is that mean?
Turkey is the first country that punished and recognized the genocide,u comlitly egnore the fact of the past attempts?
In reality turkey scared of losing another part of here and had pressures by the relocated Turks from Balkans.
Armenia never attacked turkey,Armenian first republic were in 1918 after the genocide.
Greece Bulgaria Serbia all of them had help by foreign countries.Russia then had its own agenda the fact that in its army were partisipating Armenians this do not justifies u nor the genocide.
Me as you say in that time had no face to be represented.
The fact that armenians will fight is cause the anatolia is part of historic armenia which turks even after the events got them by stealing it and making agreements with russians.
U would keep the land and ours,so today we would be happy. Treaty of Sèvres.
But no this time ur new leader Ataturk thinks that the Treaty of Sèvres don't suite him so he starts a new war and this time its called Turkish-Armenian War.
U oppressed a nation that wanted its freedom u denied its rights,start a war stole land genocide the people,after that camed Mr.Ataturk with his qoute,"Now Turkey will belonge only to the Turks"Watching the burning of armenian quarter in Smyrna.
He were aware of the genocide and what it meant to its own people.

Anatolia was not only the historic part of Armenia there was Macedonia Empire,Selefkits,Greeks,Romans,Sasanis,Partlars you were kinda vassals and never a whole country but we got it and it doesnt mean that you should have it back because you lived here once because lots of communities lived here..About Ataturkuring WWI The Ottoman Empire was shared out by other countries our stupid leaders back then was thinking about being a minority to England if Ataturk didnt come and save us we would be like black people in America and treated like ... by other people instead of having our own country you are confusing Ataturk with Adolf Hitler..Adolf was racist and his ideas include that people who arent German should be destroyed but Ataturk said that we should defense our country and if we dont get freedom we should die and he was way more smart than Churchill or Adolf or racist idiots like them..And if you dont know the way your people treated by Romans or Arabs or Makedonians were horrible and Ottomans treated you better than them but if you are a minority(even if I dont support it)you dont feel so free like the other people I know that because I was in England for four years and yes Armenia never attacked Turkey but Armenian people before Armenian Republic attacked us with Russiand during WWI and they are killing our consuls for a long time but I dont make a big deal out of it and I checked the German sources translated to English and I found this:''Armenian people first said that there were 600 thousand people who died then they increased the number to 800 thousand the number continued to increase till it was 1.5 million people and nowadays people are talking about 2 million people..By a count of people in Ottoman Empire there was 1.3 million Armenian who lived in Ottoman Empire.In the last meeting of ''Telat Paşa İttihat ve Terakki Partisi'' the Armenian lost confirmed as 300 thousand people and Monseigneur Touchet confirmed it as 500 thousand people but he said that it might be magniloquent.Tonybee said it was 600 thousand like the Armenians first confirmed it.Encyclopedia Britannica said it was 600 thousand but the same magazine said it was 1.5 million people in 1968.But the truth is like the Armenians first confirmed it 600 thousand people..''What do you think about it?

[alpixoid]

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I was being facetious on Armenians being equal in the O.E. We were not. We were third class citizens in our own land.
How are Armenian liable for what befell Bosnians? Explain.
Why would xxxs apologize for Jesus? The first Christians were xxxs themselves and merely considered themsleves a new sect of Judaism.
Armenian were not allowed to serve in the military prior to the Balkan Wars, no Christian was allowed. The Jannisaries do not count, they were taken from their families.
You cannot change history, no one can of course, but you can stop spitting in our faces and calling it rain.

Despite my issues with Erdogan, he has liberalized Turkey more than anyone in several decades. He is the lesser of all evil in Turkey. We are very well aware of who the MHP and Devlet Bahceli represent {xxxkurt}, we know what they stand for any they are our enemies for certain.

Bahceli is wrong about you but he is the only one who has the balls to tell EU that if they are going to let us join or not and the balls to hang Apo(if you dont know him he is the leader of PKK

[alpixoid]

Re: Genocide??..

If some countries' (e.g. US) governments do not officially recognize what happened as "Genocide" does not make it untrue. Those decisions are motivated by politics.

But if 20 countries accepted it doesnt make it true either..I am ambilevent about this...