Genocide

[alpixoid]

Re: Genocide??..

We're never going to forgive and forget. As long as you approach us with this type of attitude we will never forget. Like I said before, I don't hate Turks unless you deny the Genocide.

What you are saying is I should be nice to a guy who wants a piece of my country?!I am not approaching you with this attitude I'm approaching him.

[alpixoid]

Re: Genocide

I was not aware that most Turks recognized the Armenian genocide, but rather, some story about a civil war where supposedly a few hundred thousand Armenians "sided with the Russians" and massacred countless Turks out of revenge and national aspirations even though supposedly before this disaster in Turkish-Armenian relations roughly 100 years ago, we were "friends" and Armenians were "well treated". Therefore, according to this story, as traitors we deserved what we got and Turks and their republic are not to blame for any crime of genocide.

I was not aware that you all recognize that your government and your republic are part of the same line of descent of a national agenda to wipe out every demographically significant ethnic group that is not Turkish within your boundaries. What your republic accomplished with the Armenians in their 7 villayets, is now the end goal of a political attempt to devour (repress and assimilate) the Kurdish ethnic identity into oblivion.

So I will not judge from mere words the progress your nation has made in becoming a friendly nation, I will start to believe your claims of openness when your nation starts addressing the needs of minority ethnic groups within its realm. Since there are no Armenians left in Anatolia for you to prove your goodwill on, I advise that you work on your relations with the Kurds in providing them with language freedoms and social care to start, and afterwards, demographically proportional representation in the government. If you can do this, then perhaps Turkey would treat all its citizens on a basis of equality regardless of race or religion. Perhaps then, we Armenians might open up to the prospect of actually trusting your government instead of viewing it as one that has historically repressed non-Turkish elements to death.

Actually there are more than 50.000 Armenian people who are living and working in Turkey i know 5 guys who are from Armenia and we are getting along well and if you did not hear there is a solution for Kurdish people to treated well we have maps with kurdish language and a channel opened 1 month ago with kurdish language(trt) I dont think that my government will ever apologize but if there wasnt a genocide there still was a war that much Armenian died..We should apologize for that..

[Pazooki]

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Well most of our citizens accepted that there was a genocide but there are things that seems confusing like Armenia refuse Turkey's offer for an independent historical commission investigation..I didnt understand why you did that?

Well if most of your citizens accepted it why don't they stand up and force the government to accept it as well? I doubt the government would kill each and everyone of you, or are you just running your mouth to see where you will get with your points on this forum?

[Pazooki]

Re: Genocide??..

Why the hell would I want respect here and believe me I have clear conscious than you do and by calling me Turk you are making a compliment I want my government to aplogize but they wont but if you think youll ever get your payback you are wrong..definetly wrong but all I wanted is peace around the world as Ataturk says..I dont hate Armenians even if you hate me but you should forgive and forget because history is history and it cannot be changed..You should move and you will see moving on is going to make everything better..

We're never going to forgive and forget. As long as you approach us with this type of attitude we will never forget. Like I said before, I don't hate Turks unless you deny the Genocide.

[jgk3]

Re: Genocide

Well most of our citizens accepted that there was a genocide but there are things that seems confusing like Armenia refuse Turkey's offer for an independent historical commission investigation..I didnt understand why you did that?

I was not aware that most Turks recognized the Armenian genocide, but rather, some story about a civil war where supposedly a few hundred thousand Armenians "sided with the Russians" and massacred countless Turks out of revenge and national aspirations even though supposedly before this disaster in Turkish-Armenian relations roughly 100 years ago, we were "friends" and Armenians were "well treated". Therefore, according to this story, as traitors we deserved what we got and Turks and their republic are not to blame for any crime of genocide.

I was not aware that you all recognize that your government and your republic are part of the same line of descent of a national agenda to wipe out every demographically significant ethnic group that is not Turkish within your boundaries. What your republic accomplished with the Armenians in their 7 villayets, is now the end goal of a political attempt to devour (repress and assimilate) the Kurdish ethnic identity into oblivion.

So I will not judge from mere words the progress your nation has made in becoming a friendly nation, I will start to believe your claims of openness when your nation starts addressing the needs of minority ethnic groups within its realm. Since there are no Armenians left in Anatolia for you to prove your goodwill on, I advise that you work on your relations with the Kurds in providing them with language freedoms and social care to start, and afterwards, demographically proportional representation in the government. If you can do this, then perhaps Turkey would treat all its citizens on a basis of equality regardless of race or religion. Perhaps then, we Armenians might open up to the prospect of actually trusting your government instead of viewing it as one that has historically repressed non-Turkish elements to death.

[Pazooki]

Re: Genocide??..

Her parents told her, and she told your parents, and your parents told you and on on.....

Have you ever played a game called Chinese whispers? Passing second information more often than not confirms the unreliability of human recollection.

Apparently, thats the case with the Armenian Genocide and your people. You are all pawns in a game of politics.

[alpixoid]

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You are not answering anybody here. You are just making a fool of yourself when you come here with them tired old Turkish broken record crap and you think you can get respect here, or maybe you want to hear some Armenian agree with you so you can have a false sense of a clear conscious…..wrong Forum Turk.
Know this, I will never ever forget or forgive, those that mean I hate you? No, but not everything is same, you should know that. The more your country continues on this denialist path living a life of lies the worse the payback will be, especially for you Turkish people.

Why the hell would I want respect here and believe me I have clear conscious than you do and by calling me Turk you are making a compliment I want my government to aplogize but they wont but if you think youll ever get your payback you are wrong..definetly wrong but all I wanted is peace around the world as Ataturk says..I dont hate Armenians even if you hate me but you should forgive and forget because history is history and it cannot be changed..You should move and you will see moving on is going to make everything better..

[Eddo211]

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Well I am answering people nice but when someone says we will take over your country...xxxx off

You are not answering anybody here. You are just making a fool of yourself when you come here with them tired old Turkish broken record crap and you think you can get respect here, or maybe you want to hear some Armenian agree with you so you can have a false sense of a clear conscious…..wrong Forum Turk.
Know this, I will never ever forget or forgive, those that mean I hate you? No, but not everything is same, you should know that. The more your country continues on this denialist path living a life of lies the worse the payback will be, especially for you Turkish people.

[alpixoid]

If our nations are to be friends, it is the responsibility of Turkish citizens to recognize the genocide. Otherwise, our "friendship" would just lead to history will repeat itself.

This is not a matter of hatred, but of mutual understanding of what formed our respective nations in this modern era, the extreme disregard for the human lives of "giaours (gavurs)" or "raya", leading to their extermination from the the Ottoman empire in order to fulfill the creation of a modern, secular, Turkish republic, who's dogma is ethnic homogeneity that has room for only a single race called "Turk" within their realm, resulting in assimilatory racism amongst Muslims, and genocide against Christians (even if they try to mask these intentions by "tolerating" and flattering non-Turks in certain regions of their nation such as Istanbul).

I understand that this is largely political, but in order for the politics to work, the citizens must also be engaged into the scheme, and Turks, like any nationally represented ethnic group, are very much involved in the Turkey's geopolitical and inter-ethnic relations.

We don't mind talking to Turks about other topics at all, but when it comes to the genocide, we will not seek dialogue if it means we have to compromise our position in order to "become friends with our neighbours".

Please note that we'd rather fight to resist the isolation of the Armenian nation than to become "friends with all our loving neighbours", and thus, are quite satisfied with the present status quo.

Well most of our citizens accepted that there was a genocide but there are things that seems confusing like Armenia refuse Turkey's offer for an independent historical commission investigation..I didnt understand why you did that?

You really think Turkey earns respect by insulting the leader of Israel when they don’t give a rats ass about the Palestinians and then, apologizing for it. You forgot to mention Turkey calling China’s actions as "without a doubt Genocide". That must have got your leaders a lot of respect in Turkish mind ha.

If your in college then you are an adult………….let me guess, your lack of education is Turkish.

Erdoğan did that to get vote that didnt earn any respecy but when Peles called to apologize,that earned respect and China's actions are genocide but they stopped killing people in there...It doesn't matter what our leaders say,what matters is when they say something people do what they say...That earns respect..

Jos, I suggest you start keeping good records because when your grand grand son tells his kids how Armenians liberated their lands back, they may not believe it.

Well I am answering people nice but when someone says we will take over your country...xxxx off

[Eddo211]

Actually we are very respected when syria didnt give us PKK leader apo we took it anyway and usa confirmed that we are a super-power and after erdoğan bawled out israel leader peres he called an apologized and such...you see we are very respected dont say insulting stuff about us and more than %75 of people in Turkey including me are ambivalent about AG and that just seems very confusing yes I am kinda young I am studying at Marmara College in İstanbul if you count that as young and we are open-minded about AG so dont worry I wont get in trouble...

You really think Turkey earns respect by insulting the leader of Israel when they don’t give a rats ass about the Palestinians and then, apologizing for it. You forgot to mention Turkey calling China’s actions as "without a doubt Genocide". That must have got your leaders a lot of respect in Turkish mind ha.

If your in college then you are an adult………….let me guess, your lack of education is Turkish.

Her parents told her, and she told your parents, and your parents told you and on on.....

Have you ever played a game called Chinese whispers? Passing second information more often than not confirms the unreliability of human recollection.

Jos, I suggest you start keeping good records because when your grand grand son tells his kids how Armenians liberated their lands back, they may not believe it.