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Originally posted by Crimson GlowIn spite of all these filters/methods to eliminate bias, after sifting through a dizzying array of German archives (remember your allies? The people who, after reading everything they witnessed/OKed, I consider as guilty as the Ottoman Empire?), and yes, your beloved French and Russian archives too, and reading eye witness accounts, documents, telegrams, memos, etc from Swedes, Germans, Norwegians, Turks, Americans, etc
Originally posted by Crimson Glow1. In all the Turkish denials I came across, there is one consistent pattern: Inconsistency. For example, some Turks were claiming 1.5 million Armenians couldn't have been killed, because there were only 300,000 living there. Others say that WE killed 500,000 Turks. And yet others claim that the deportations went off without a hitch, and that all survived save for a handful. These are just a few of the examples, but you can already see the contradictions. If there were only 300,000 Armenians living there, how on EARTH did they kill 500,000 Turks?? Within the almighty Ottoman Empire, no less! If the Turk claims there were higher population numbers, then how can he/they claim there weren't enough Armenians present to make 1+ million deaths possible? If the deportations went off without a hitch, where the hell did those people go? Evaporated? I actually TRIED making sense of the Turkish stance. Unfortunately, you guys need to work together to make one official story in order to understand it.
Originally posted by Crimson Glow2. I found this to be the most important and telling info/evidence in all my research: The number of TURKISH witnesses, as well as TURKISH historians/citizens/studiers/etc that felt it was indeed a genocide. To read some of the stories of how Turkish hid their Armenian friends just before their villages were raided, how some helped them plot out an escape route, how many lied and said Armenian kids were there own......it was truly unbelievable. And the number of Turkish citizens appauled by the doings of their government....didn't seem to matter what their own people wanted. But very interesting/intriguing info, nonetheless.
What were you expecting? Turks and Armenians lived together long enough till your treachery... How can we kill people that we are living together without any thought?
Originally posted by Crimson GlowAs far as the international law suit thing, I haven't looked into that, and don't know what's required/how one goes about it, etc, so I'm not going to comment on that. But I highly doubt that 15 nations, and 26 American States would have acknowledged a genocide if we didn't "have anything in our hands". There wouldn't be a debate about the issue at all if we didn't have substantial evidence.
Originally posted by TomServoTreachery? Because it's bogus. This thread is bogus and you're bogus. You're not the first Turk to start a thread like this, but the first to act so stupid. Browse this forum's archives for answers to your questions. It's 1:30 A.M. and I'm tired. It's hard enough to make sense of your English.
Originally posted by Anonymouse"Waaah, I'm a Turk and Armenians make me angry with their genocide claims, waaaaah"Question to brainless diaspora freak: where are your archives?
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Originally posted by thinktwice
HAHAHA. I'm laughing at you. Because you are crying all the time to US but they refuse your so-called genocide. What a pity little poor armenian... "Turks beating us waaah help me waaaah"Achkerov kute.
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Originally posted by AnonymouseSomething must be wrong with Turks since they didn't get the job done, and I'm still here. It just goes to show you that pastoralist barbarians and efficiency don't mix, even when attempting a genocide.Question to brainless diaspora freak: where are your archives?
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Originally posted by thinktwiceI wonder why don't you come up with any clue about treachery... it was my point and thread. You can only insult me. Armenians punished for their guilty and you will get nothing for your sneaky so-called genocide...
Turkish government stance:
"Exaggerated", or "it didn't happen"? YES!
"Yeah we killed a bunch of them, but only because they deserved"? NOOOO!!
YOU, on the other handed, weather you understand/realize it or not, just admitted to a genocide. You seriously should reconsider your argument/angle. This thread should be forwarded to your government to let them see how their "intelligent" people are defending against these "allegations". They don't want morons like you, running around destroying their case. I think they'd love to have a word with you. Yep.....a real looooong talk, if you catch my drift.
Another bowl of Frosted mini wheats served up! Do you like the toasted side, or the frosted side better?
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You know Turkish government's stance better than me. LOL
You can forward my talking anywhere on earth. But it won't change history. If someone commit a crime against state (take side with enemy forces in war) they deserve punishment. And this punishment doesn't means genocide... You don't even know how many people died there cause of what. You are saying same things everytime like parrot. Is your proof only "tehcir" photos for genocide? This won't take you anywhere.
US, French, England, Russia used you, they are sill using you and they will use you everytime. So sad you don't have anything to tie your people together except so-called genocide. It's enough for me to talk misguided, mindless people. you can talk to each other again...Question to brainless diaspora freak: where are your archives?
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