How to help Turks listen to you and try to understand your issues?!

[winoman]

Funny MadTurk - back on Oct 2 you stated: "all Americans are disgusting anyway" - now yu claim to be friendly with Armenians - and are boo hooing that your just upset because we are claiminglands form Turks and so forth- give me a break - i ain't buying it...

[Stark Evade]

HOW CAN WE CREATE A BETTER LIFE FOR OUR CHILDREN, ARMENIAN, TURK, AZERI, ESKIMO, ENGLISH, JAPANESE....If people like you keep on insisting that SPEAKING is no good????

Humans TALK, Stark, animals fight....YES, we should talk. This is not just our world, I want my children, and also your children, to be clean and free of the garbage called WAR and HATRED.

This is why I try.

Oh, for the love of Hell, get a life and cut the melodrama. These conversations are pointless, I don't care what crap cliches you toss around. "I'm civilized; I talk." Bullshyt. Sure you want everything to be nice and peaceful... on your terms. Just leave because if you think that by coming here you are going to convince the Armenians that they are somehow wrong, you are mistaken. And that goes for the Armenians as well. Guhleer.

[The Mad Turk]

You have every right to feel angry that we want our lands back. But I commend you for your curiosity that led you to come here so to understand the issue in greater depth. I don't like it when Armenians here tie you DIRECTLY to the Turks who led the genocide, but you do support their legacy, as righteous and justifiable. We will never see it that way as true Armenians. The world is not prepared for our victories however, and nor are you. But that does not stop us from striving to end the suffocation of our legacy.

You are human, you are capable of compassion and I can be your friend, but when we reach for our respective national identities, we must fight for what we stand for. Who will be the victor in the next few centuries years? I don't know. I just know that I will strive to be compassionate, without ignoring my heritage and that of fellow Armenians. You would do the same, would you not?

I look at the Turkish Armenians,Armenia armenians and dispora differently.

Turkish Armenians are good turkish citizens who suffered real difficult days during the modern Turkish history.(in addition to the ottoman days) this is what we know for sure.But still they somehow succeded to survive.
Armenia armenians are good neighbours whome most forgot the past ,visiting turkey often and just trying to survive economicly.
Diaspora is something very different.Real enemies of us Turks.I can say that I have no sympathy to them.However I have to accept that diaspora is working very well and politically made the so called armenian genocide a trade mark.So I really have to respect you for your strugle.

Also jgk you are a noble person.I respect your opinions.ı can see no way in the future for the Armenians but if you believe in something (which you definitly do )you have every right to follow it,since you are reacting not as a terrorist but only politically.But because we are enemies ı cant wish you good luck in your struggle.

[Կարմիր Բ]

The Mad Turk.

Your id signifies it all.

[jgk3]

I look at the Turkish Armenians,Armenia armenians and dispora differently.

Turkish Armenians are good turkish citizens who suffered real difficult days during the modern Turkish history.(in addition to the ottoman days) this is what we know for sure.But still they somehow succeded to survive.
Armenia armenians are good neighbours whome most forgot the past ,visiting turkey often and just trying to survive economicly.
Diaspora is something very different.Real enemies of us Turks.I can say that I have no sympathy to them.However I have to accept that diaspora is working very well and politically made the so called armenian genocide a trade mark.So I really have to respect you for your strugle.

Turkish Armenians are not always that different from Diasporan. My grandmother, came from post-genocide Bitlis and ended up in Istanbul after my father was conceived in Ankara in 1954. At the time, it was an ideal place to settle down and raise a family. This doesn't mean she let down her grudge against the Turks for destroying the lives of her parents who were only-survivors among their many siblings who had their throats slit.

But the "good Turkish citizen" Armenian can be seen from my Mom's side of the family, particularly, her mother's. They lived in Istanbul the whole time (their ancestrial lines enter Istanbul centuries before those of my father's side), and were spared. They were sheltered by their Turkish friends when soldiers would knock on the doors, they did not have to worry so much. These Armenians did not suffer such great losses, but lost job opportunities at best. This is why they are not so hard to befriend for Turks, and much more prone to fight with Diasporans. These Armenians are considered by Diasporans to be traitors for sticking around in Turkey all this time.

Yet, whether a Bolsahye comes from tragedy in Anatolia or from the salvation of sheltering by Turkish neighbors, they have still lived among Turks long enough to know that they don't directly pose harm at the everyday level. They appreciated the Western cultural influence in the city, and they saw a future in it (the society there was not very hostile to them in the post WWII period). Of course, when they were eligible for immigration to Canada or the US, they left, as they wanted to raise their kids in a Christian country, and give them more opportunities for education.

Yes, my mother's side of the family is sort of "in the dark" in terms of the vivid details of the atrocities in Anatolia, and they are afraid to talk politically to Diasporans, as they will end up fighting.

My father came to Canada as a 12 year old, and managed to shake off his mother's mentality to the point where he wasn't even proud to be Armenian anymore. I took all these mentalities together and challenged them with my own outlook, ultimately creating my own mentality:

"Armenians have endless potential, but their social and political infrastructure must be returned to them should they fulfill this potential. The common Turk is a human being who can be befriended by an Armenian, as long as they do not discuss anything that concerns their social or political past. We are friends, yet sworn enemies at the same time. It all depends on which level the relationship concerns."

The souls of deceased Armenians at the hands of the Genocide will not be silenced however. They speak through any Armenian who is true to their identity. Not surprisingly, the Armenian race is a leader in the world for producing such people. But Armenians must realize that these souls of the past want vengance against the Turks who led the atrocities, not the Turks of today who had no part in it. This is why we must be more objective in how we go on about restoring what was ours.

[The Mad Turk]

The souls of deceased Armenians at the hands of the Genocide will not be silenced however. They speak through any Armenian who is true to their identity. Not surprisingly, the Armenian race is a leader in the world for producing such people. But Armenians must realize that these souls of the past want vengance against the Turks who led the atrocities, not the Turks of today who had no part in it. This is why we must be more objective in how we go on about restoring what was ours.
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Please do not be offended that ı am asking you this.But What do you mean by 'resorting that was yours'?Do you think that To add eastern turkey to armenia without a very very bloody war and beating Turkey is possible?This well may end up with the second Armenian genocide.And you must know in todays world changing boundries is very diffucult and painful.Turkey is a real giant comparing to Armenia.I mean this is really more than a dream.

On the other hand ı really think that diaspora already won this game by keeping its identity alive for 100 years and by making the so called genocide politically trade mark all over the world.I think you achieved something impossible.

İn Todays world nationalizm is on the rise.But at the same time EU is trying to abolish the borders and become a world power.Though I am confused about it and have real doubts about its future,and about Turkeys acceptence to there and dont respect it too much at the present time,if it can succed and include armenia as the final boundry then this can solve the whole problems between us in a peaceful way.

İf there is a war between armenia and Turkey I would go to Ağrı with the first plane to fight.but I have to accept that ı wish whatever happened was not happened between us.With my greatest respects to your mother.I kiss her hands.

[skhara]

Armenia armenians are good neighbours whome most forgot the past

Is this garbage propaganda typical amongst turks? I hear from different turks all the time. "The diaspora threatens, blackmails the people in Armenia." "The Armenians currently living in Armenia don't care about members of their family being blugeoned, axed, burned, decapitated, they just want to move on."

If I come into the home that you have built from the ground up, rape and kill your mother and all the member of your family, you crawl barely alive. Then I make some kids and tell them that all these posessions your daddy worked for all his life -- and then your new kids learn of this house and present all the evidence in the world to my kids -- they will simply claim that it never happened and in fact it was your own fault since you rose up against the invader of your home and all your family deserved to be killed.

You take that analogy and then talk to me about your enemies with an angry face. The Armenians in Armenia feel exactly the same way as Armenians in diaspora about this issue. In fact, their feelings may be more harsh since they don't have the often liberal mentalities that ail many diaspora Armenians.

This isn't going away. It is going to stay in our collective phyches until we are justifiably satisfied. You would only be able to breath a sigh of relief when the Armenian people cease to exist all together.

But we'll have other ideas, all the nations that your hoard have wronged have a thirst for vengeance and they too want satisfaction. They'll get it, but it will be us who will hammer the final nail into the coffin of your freak frankenstein creation.

[karoaper]

Skhara, bratan,
chevo muchaeshsia obesniats kozlu pravdu? netu tolka v etom.

eshin khota petk tal, voch te ushadrutiun.

[jgk3]

Please do not be offended that ı am asking you this.But What do you mean by 'resorting that was yours'?Do you think that To add eastern turkey to armenia without a very very bloody war and beating Turkey is possible?This well may end up with the second Armenian genocide.And you must know in todays world changing boundries is very diffucult and painful.Turkey is a real giant comparing to Armenia.I mean this is really more than a dream.

I'm not offended. I'll tell you exactly what I mean. Land is not so much the issue. Our legacy, the ensurement of a rebirth for Armenia is the issue. Our existance is waning right now. Armenia has no infrastructure, it only polititians who have no future as individuals unless they make use of their nation's already meagre resources for their own short-term benefit. This is not a future that satisfies us. That nation is suffocating with all the lawlessness and it's isolation within nations that keep the economy limited, not to mention it's emigration movement.

Diasporans stood for Armenia more during the earlier years of independance. It didn't take long for us to get a grasp of the Soviet brainwashing and street mentality that was so predominant there. Well off Diasporans would set up some businesses in Armenia, and leave some locals to run it there. When they'd return to check up on it some months later, they'd find out that their machines were all sold off in the Russian market without their knowledge.

We are not content with things as they are now. This is why we need someone to rebuild our infrastructure properly, so that we can survive and continue with a country of our own instead of gradually getting assimilated as Diasporans... Middle Eastern Armenians adopting Arab mentality, all this xxxx I'm seeing out of Glendale, etc...

We aren't dreaming for a better future like it's a fairy tale we could live without, it's a bare necessity should our people survive.

But tell me, why did Armenians have to suffer this fate. Was this brought unto us by our own people? Was it really our fault that Armenians were driven out into the deserts of Anatolia to be cut down by progressive raids of Turks on horseback, and local Kurdish theives? Was it our fault that there was a Diasporan movement? You think we all just got up and decided to emigrate our ancestrial homes? No, we were displaced, to suffer the threat of assimilation that only now, after 90 long years, has started to kick in.

Who do we have to blame this for? Our retarded militiamen who rebelled in the wrong place at the wrong time during WWI? I see how the manuver played out by Turkey was a strategic solution to the problem of the Armenians, but was it right? Was this not a crime, and just a justifiable military action? Countless minorities were displaced during the course of WWI in the Balkans, I acknowledge this, but how many were brutally hunted down, how many of these minorities suffered massacres?

[loveataturk]

Armenians; get rid of your inferiority complex, and the "victim syndrome". Your ancestors rebelled, colluded with the French and the russians, the Turks were too strong for your militia, your pathetic militia, mostly under French and Russian uniforms at different times, were wiped clean by superior (both morally and militarily) Turkish army and soldiers (God's Praise be upon them).
Dream on and on about taking back land ? Oh for the sake of God, first find ways to FEED your people, before you day-dream about beating the magnificient Turks and the Turkish army (God's praise be upon them).

STOP SILLY PROPAGANDA, and let us live peacefully. Otherwise.......losers will always be losers. LEt us choose peace and prosperity and brotherhood. I do not, seriously, advice you to continue your silly claims and dreams.