How to help Turks listen to you and try to understand your issues?!

[loveataturk]

(1) You cannot go greywolf hunting, actually you can do absolutely no harm to Turkey or Turks. Get over yourselves.
(2) There are quite a few rational and intelligible forum guests here, with whom it is a pleasure to correspond. I extend my sincere thanks to them for giving hope.
(3) IF YOU HATE TURKEY AND TURKS SO MUCH, THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

Not all forum guests here, but PATHETIC LOSERS !!!!!

Turkish guns have been waiting on the borders for you for so long. Come to your daddy! :-)

[TomServo]

*pets the greywolf*

[skhara]

Turkish guns have been waiting on the borders for you for so long. Come to your daddy! :-)

Hmm... lets see:

1919 turks invade Armenia
1942 turks amass army divisions waiting for the opportunity to invade Soviet Armenia and Caucasus. They were waiting for the defeat of the Red Army at Stalingrad. Meanwhile, over 100 thousand Armenian soldiers were on the front lines in Stalingrad.
1993 turks again amass armies near Armenian border attempting to take advantage of the coup attempt in Moscow.

Yeah turks have been waiting at the border that's for sure.

[winoman]

(1) You cannot go greywolf hunting, actually you can do absolutely no harm to Turkey or Turks. Get over yourselves.
(2) There are quite a few rational and intelligible forum guests here, with whom it is a pleasure to correspond. I extend my sincere thanks to them for giving hope.
(3) IF YOU HATE TURKEY AND TURKS SO MUCH, THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

Not all forum guests here, but PATHETIC LOSERS !!!!!

Turkish guns have been waiting on the borders for you for so long. Come to your daddy! :-)

Lying, racist, hyper-nationalistic, genocide perpetuating hater - begone! GTF out of here you pathetic scum! now!

[winoman]

Hey Turkeys don't forget to get your bird flu shot....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/10/13/eu.birdflu/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

[bell-the-cat]

Armenians; get rid of your inferiority complex, and the "victim syndrome". I do not, seriously, advice you to continue your silly claims and dreams.

Turks: get rid of your inferiority complex, and "victim syndrome" and do not continue with your silly claims and dreams.

[loveataturk]

Wow Look who is accusing me of hyper-nationalism. All these posts about "re-conquering" land by Armenians, then I say "sure, go ahead, we are waiting" and suddenly I am to be blamed????

Try to use your brains before you start raining insults. If anything, ARMENIANS ARE KNOWN FOR PRODUCING GREAT MINDS, my hobbies introduced me to Tigran Petrosian, Gary Kaspy and many others. PLEASE USE YOUR BRAINS.

""Pathetic Losers" is actually a very warm and humane way to address people who talk daily about murdering Turks.

By the way, SKHARA, it has been more than 2 centuries since Turks (Ottoman or turkey) ever had sufficient power to challenge the Russians. It would be absurd for us even to try. We do not have their numbers, nor their nukes or anything matching their power. Are you crazy??? ARE YOU HAVING ILLUSIONS??? TURKS TRYING TO INVADE ARMENIA??? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR RATIONAL MIND??? Why would we want this? Why would we even think of invoking the wrath of USSR or today's Russia?

[skhara]

By the way, SKHARA, it has been more than 2 centuries since Turks (Ottoman or turkey) ever had sufficient power to challenge the Russians. It would be absurd for us even to try. We do not have their numbers, nor their nukes or anything matching their power. Are you crazy??? ARE YOU HAVING ILLUSIONS??? TURKS TRYING TO INVADE ARMENIA??? ARE YOU OUT F YOURORATIONAL MIND??? Why would we want this? Why would we even think of invoking the wrath of USSR or today's Russia?

You don't pay attention. Turkey never did try to directly challenge the USSR, Turkey was waiting for the Red Army's defeat at the Stalingrad and Wermachts sealing off of Northern Caucasus. We already know that there was a deal between Turkey and the third Reich.

In 1993, again Turkeys ammassed troops and was waiting to see how the coup attempt in Moscow played out.
In the similar time frame tukey "offers" some "peacekeeping" in Nagorno-Karabakh, gee thanks turkey. We can't wait for you to come and "peacekeep" just like you peacekeep in Cyprus.

In 1919, TUrkey invades Caucasian Armenia. By the way, the non-supplied, exhausted, heavily outnumbered Armenians did defeat the turkish incursion, but Armenia's collapse came through the bolshevik deal.
NOte: After failure by the turks, turkey deals to invade and take parts of Armenia.

In 1942:
Turkey deals to attack Armenia. Makes a deal with the 3rd Reich and waited for certain precondition, such as the defeat of the Red Army of the Caucasus front.

In 1993:
Again, Turkey deals to invade Armenia:

Ambassador Chrysanthopoulos, who also represented the Presidency of the European Union, tells the inside story of the battle for control over the Caucasus between Russia, Europe, and the United States after the fall of the Soviet Union. He shows that the Karabagh conflict had become a focal point of that power struggle, and he describes some of the diplomatic and humanitarian relief work in which he was involved. In the preparation of the book, the author has relied on suggestions by Gerard Libaridian, a presidential adviser during the administration of Levon Ter Petrosian.

In his book, Chrysanthopoulos makes a momentous revelation, describing plans learned from various official sources about a proposed Turkish invasion of Armenia in 1993. According to the author, during the takeover bid by Russian Parliament Speaker Ruslan Khasbulatov and Vice President Alexander Rutskoi in October 1993, Turkey had made a deal with Khasbulatov that Russia withdraw its 10,000 soldiers guarding the Armenia-Turkey border so that Turkey may invade Armenia and Georgia.

"The French Ambassador told me on October 11 that, according to French intelligence sources, there had been an agreement between Khasbulatov (a Chechen Moslem) and Ankara that, if he prevailed, he would allow Turkey to execute incursions of a limited nature into Armenia, using the Kurdish issue as a pretext, and into Georgia to secure Abkhazia. The Turkish incursion into Armenia, according to French intelligence sources, would take place immediately after Khasbulatov would have withdrawn the Russian troops from Armenia," writes Chrysanthopoulos.

While this revelation seems improbable, the author cites credible intelligence reports from the French and US Ambassadors, as well as reports of Turkish troop movements. "Two serious intelligence services (those of France and the United States)...confirm that there was some kind of agreement between Khasbulatov and Turkish Prime Minister Tansu Ciller to permit surgical strikes by Turkey in Armenia and Georgia, as unbelievable as it may sound," he writes.

The Ambassador also recounts a September 1993 meeting with the late Hrair Maroukhian, who was then chairman of the ARF Bureau. Chrysanthopoulos notes that Maroukhian was so well informed of the political situation in Russia, that he was able to warn of the events that were to take place the following month in Moscow.

Turks blockade today is an attempt at starving out the population of Armenia. Turkey actively works to settle turks in the Caucasus today, especially the Armenian populated southern region of Georgia.

Turkey's interest in nothing other than the disappearance of the Armenian nation and the removal of Armenians living in any concentration. So we know turkeys always hostile intent. The genocide had nothing to do with Armenian rebellions, it had everything to do with Armenians getting in the way living on their milleniums long ancestoral homeland and there by being a threat of national identity and formation, and being an annoying entity that cuts them off from Azerbaijan.

So what is it that is your intent here? What did you come to convince us of? That there was no genocide, and that turks are nice, civil people, and not the barbarian animals that many of us take you for? Well actions speak louder than words, the ball is entirely in your court, not in ours.

Armenians do not trust you, get it? It would be absolute madness to do so after all that's happenned and continues to happen. A lot of us do not want to have anything to do with you, but want to just live in peace both free from turks and free of turks.

[loveataturk]

Well, skhara, then the actions of Armenia Republic and the Armenian people should also speak louder than their actions: just like you say: STAY AWAY FROM US, KEEP YOUR INTENTIONS AWAY FROM US...including lunatic wishes for OUR land. (it could only be a death wish to challenge turks for their territory, militarily)

[loveataturk]

I did not know, neither ever heard of Tansu ciller's dealing on extending a helping hand to Azerbajcan or Abkhazia....but still I see no evil in it. It would be lovely, by the way, why not??? They are, after all , Turks! Armenia could stay an island surrounded by Turkic nations, and what the heck is wrong with that? For us, it is acceptable and peaceful....