How to help Turks listen to you and try to understand your issues?!

[jgk3]

We cannot continue our existance with the meagre state we have now. Yes, the Turks beat our militia, this is understandable, but they commited a crime against civilians, as our militia also had. This is the problem... You took away our entire infrastructure away, as we took the infrastructure of those villages we attacked. You rebuilt your villages, we disappeared. But we were not silenced.

I said it once and I said it again, our existance is declining. Like any people, we want to hold onto what we are. Why must we sacrifice our name, our legacy, and ignore our pain and sorrows, just so you Turks can live in peace?

Instead of reading only in the Genocide section, you should try other sections, which explain the situation of Armenians in a more political and socio-economic way.

[loveataturk]

Come back and become Turkish citizens, then. Until the winds of rebellion flowing from the Balkans, and the disastrous treachery of France and other European manipulators coerced Armenians into the bitter defeat, Turks and Armenians were doing just fine.
REMEMBER!! The Armenians of Anatolia were doing pretty good, not just because they were geniuses and artisans, but also because the Turks were keeping excellent infrastructure (of the day) and assistance and co-existence.
Once Armenians decided to have their own nation, look at the meagre success. Thus, I propose, instead of trying to conquer an unbeatable (for the limited power of Armenia) adversary, just come back and start rebuilding.

[loveataturk]

"Instead of reading only in the Genocide section, you should try other sections, which explain the situation of Armenians in a more political and socio-economic way."

Agreed, you are right. By the way, Turks were never too good at trade or artisanship, the most loved architect of Turks, MIMAR SINAN, if you know him from 16th century, was an ARMENIAN, today all Turks are learning. Sinan has been for centuries the pride and love of Turks, and Turks also have to accept that if Armenians were still in Turkey and anatolia, possibly we would either already be in the EU, or perhaps not have to apply...

[skhara]

Skhara, bratan,
chevo muchaeshsia obesniats kozlu pravdu? netu tolka v etom.

eshin khota petk tal, voch te ushadrutiun.

Of coarse you are right my friend and I realise that. It is the turk propaganda about Armenians currently living in Armenia that set me off. And these creatures seem to think that it all began in 1915. That there were no Hamidian massacres, or massacres by young turks prior to 1915. They talk of millitias? What's a sad fact of reality was the shortsightedness of Armenians. The annalogy there is a murderer pointing a gun at 3 men and they do everything he tells them to in the foolish belief that he will not eventually shoot them. Instead they could rush the murderer and put the gun to his head. If Armenians had really done what turks were accusing of, there would never have been an Armenian Genocide.

[The Mad Turk]

But tell me, why did Armenians have to suffer this fate. Was this brought unto us by our own people? Was it really our fault that Armenians were driven out into the deserts of Anatolia to be cut down by progressive raids of Turks on horseback, and local Kurdish theives? Was it our fault that there was a Diasporan movement? You think we all just got up and decided to emigrate our ancestrial homes? No, we were displaced, to suffer the threat of assimilation that only now, after 90 long years, has started to kick in.

Who do we have to blame this for? Our retarded militiamen who rebelled in the wrong place at the wrong time during WWI? I see how the manuver played out by Turkey was a strategic solution to the problem of the Armenians, but was it right? Was this not a crime, and just a justifiable military action? Countless minorities were displaced during the course of WWI in the Balkans, I acknowledge this, but how many were brutally hunted down, how many of these minorities suffered massacres?
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No you didnt deserve this...

You sound so sincere that ı believe these are your true feelings. And you can make even your enemy to feel your pain.This hurts you and believe me it hurts us too.(if not all of us).

I tell you where the problem is.İn the last period of Ottomans,the country went out of control.Long time a multicultural empire broke apart or rather abolished.Then some people effective to the last sultans adviced to make a new country or lets say to save the last parts of the empire by creating a non christian state eliminating the greeks and armenians who were or possibly would be seeking independence.all these things happened during this last ottoman period.
As a Turk I will always be proud of the great war we have given against to the world to establish our new country.But I am not so sure about the moral side of the complete clearing of the greeks and armenians .(Greeks did the same things to certain extent to Turks who were living in eastern greece.my grandfathers fathers were killed in the mosque by the greeks.The remaing part of the family came to Turkey in an exchange with the greeks in turkey.)

Even after the establishment of modern Turkey elimination of armenians and greeks continued untill a couple years ago which you people dont emphasis at all.your parents too probably left turkey because of states attitudes,not for better education or so.Even if your mom wouldnt accept it.This negativizm stopped just recently after our EU dream started.Today there are more germans living in turkey than armenians.When I was a child we had many armenian and greek neighbours, none left today.So yes this was a systematical politics of turkey.Not only so called genocide there is more of it.

Did we have to do this.may be yes and may be not.I am not sure.but today many of us know the Armenian side of the story,may be with the help of diasporas nonstop struggle.Today it is a reality that there is no armenian culture left in Anatolia where one time it was their homeland.

what can I say these are the realities of history.yes many things happened (if not genocide)and yes armenians no matter diaspora or else are in the edge of distinction. So sad.

[karoaper]

Of coarse you are right my friend and I realise that. It is the turk propaganda about Armenians currently living in Armenia that set me off. And these creatures seem to think that it all began in 1915. That there were no Hamidian massacres, or massacres by young turks prior to 1915. They talk of millitias? What's a sad fact of reality was the shortsightedness of Armenians. The annalogy there is a murderer pointing a gun at 3 men and they do everything he tells them to in the foolish belief that he will not eventually shoot them. Instead they could rush the murderer and put the gun to his head. If Armenians had really done what turks were accusing of, there would never have been an Armenian Genocide.

I know, it actually makes me laugh. These turks are so incredibly and easily miseducated and duped about their own past and even their own present, yet they wander off here and make complete asses out of themselves talking about Armenia and her politics and/or histrory. Someone needs to tell these morons that the second most popular topic of discussion for teens in Armenia was and is about how our heros would take back our "earth" back. The majority of patriotic singers come out of Armenia. The very reason why Armenia reacted so swiftly and supported Karabakh so fully is because we see azeris as turks and have nothing but distrust and contempt for them.

The reason they don't mind Armenia and don't like [are afraid of] diaspora is rooted in the simple fact that it is the diaspora that weilds the real momentum for conviction on the international arena and is the big brother to Armenia in terms of political and economic power.

[winoman]

I thought that you said you came here seeking answers - but here again you are attempting to lecture us when you are entirely deficient concerning the facts. A hole

Armenians; get rid of your inferiority complex, and the "victim syndrome".

STFU know nothing worm!

Your ancestors rebelled, colluded with the French and the russians, the Turks were too strong for your militia, your pathetic militia, mostly under French and Russian uniforms at different times, were wiped clean by superior (both morally and militarily) Turkish army and soldiers (God's Praise be upon them).

Did they teach you this in school? I'm sure they did - problem is that there are no facts to back it up. There was no Armenian militia or any sort of real battles between Armenians and Turks prior to the Genocide accept for very specific defensive actions such as in Van. The evidence - even from Turkish allies - Germans and Austirans - shows that there was no Armenian "rebellion" or any sort of significant military activity within Anatolia. Outside of Van I cannot think of one single named battle or engagement that involved Armenian "militia" (which pretty much did not exist) with Turkish troops. Armenian men had previously been drafted into the Turkish army - those who could escape either fled to the Caucuses or were in hiding (a very few) - prior to the Genocide - all but a handful of these men (at best) - had no weapons and certainly no organization and were not crazy enough to take on an Army of an Empire - please give me a break. In the meantime the Ottoman secret police/special organization and loceal gendarme and Hamidyie regiment Kurds and such were slaughtering Armenian Women and Children and elderly and depopulating very single Armenian town and village and clearing out and killing every single Armenian that they could get their hands on! So stuff it with your fairy tales! - shelterer of murderers and denier of truth! And that you claim that those who did these barbaric deeds were moral and that you are praising them - well we have had enough I think....

Dream on and on about taking back land ? Oh for the sake of God, first find ways to FEED your people, before you day-dream about beating the magnificient Turks and the Turkish army (God's praise be upon them).

non issue all around - BTW your Army is a joke in the scheme of things and your nation is easily defeatable (and it doesn't require tanks or troops to do it) - so dream on yourself - oh and I'd be memorizinfg the Koran if I were you buddy...

STOP SILLY PROPAGANDA, and let us live peacefully. Otherwise.......losers will always be losers. LEt us choose peace and prosperity and brotherhood. I do not, seriously, advice you to continue your silly claims and dreams.

Again you are calling us loosers and claiming that we are citing propoganda--- well Homer Simpson - I guess you have all the answers don't you. Get the F out of here! You have shown yourself to be the worse kind of idiot who knows only misguided Turkish nationalist pride and hate - get out! We have no need of your slimey kind!

[Thai-Samurai]

At first the Turks who would come here would only act obnoxious and insult us. But recently the Turks have been taking a more mature attitude. As you all explain it was a heated time, however a Genocide was done. The Armenians of Eastern Turkey were ruthlessly murdered, and whether or not it was because the Turkey was trying to save itself or because the western powers were being unfair. It was an act of anger, spite, and animal aggresions. Unnecesarry people were killed and we need that admitted. Second is that the Turkish army of 1918 actually tried to invade Yerevan and was planning on killing all Armenians in order to creata Pan-Turkic union. The fact that women and children at Tzitzenakaberd literally saved us makes me angry that the Turks put us in such a position.
The entire Armenian Question could've have been solved by Turkey in a much better way, you can never justify a Genocide.

I actually want peace w/ Turkey one day and to see prosperity. However the Turkish gov't has it's agenda and although our Armenian gov't is doing a good job upholding the Armenian Genocide cause and the Karabagh cause, they are horribly corrupt and that makes me angry. I beleive Armenians have bigger problems which the diaspora is blissfully sheltered from is that the Armenians here are being taken advantage of rich people. The biggest damage to Armenians since the end of the Karabagh war has been other Armenians.
Most of you looked at, some of you barely read, and none of you responded to the I'm Disgusted thread. The dumbest and most disgusting Armenians are obsessed w/ being rich, driving a nice car, and looking good. These people make me sick and their running/ruining Armenia.

Like I said said we've been demanding/fighting for independence for over 400 years. We endured a Genocide, 80 years of Soviet retardation, and the Karabagh war. Now, instead of building that dream nation we had imagined from the very beginning of this conflict, Armenia has become a playground for the rich.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Armenians; get rid of your inferiority complex,

You are the one with the inferiority complex insignificant Turk.

Your ancestors rebelled,

If we had rebelled Turk,there would be no Turkey today.

the Turks were too strong for your militia, your pathetic militia

Turks are brave against women and childrend.

Oh for the sake of God, first find ways to FEED your people,

YOU go and feed your people.Except Istanbul,Antalya,Ankara and Izmir Turkey is a village.

STOP SILLY PROPAGANDA, and let us live peacefully.

There will be Peace when Justice is given.Now siktir.

[TomServo]

Let's go greywolf hunting.