How to help Turks listen to you and try to understand your issues?!

[bell-the-cat]

In 1993, again Turkeys ammassed troops and was waiting to see how the coup attempt in Moscow played out.

The "amassing" of Turkish troops along the Armenian border in the summer of 1993 was connected to the war in NK, and was particularly to do with the Armenian shelling of Azeri settlements in Nakhchivan. The Azeri's feared that it would end in an Armenian invasion of Nakhchivan, and they called on Turkey, as guarantor to Nakhchivan's territorial integrity, to intervene. From what I heard later in Kars, it was the Russians who convinced Armenia of the real danger of Turkish intervention if any incursion into Nakhchivan took place.
In July that year I remember sitting in a cafe in Igdir watching a column of Turkish armoured vehicles rumbling through the town, moving towards the border, fully ready for action, equiped with field ambulances, and with all the vehicle registration plates covered over with cloth.

The coup attempt in Moscow occured much later in the year.

As to what Chrysanthopoulos wrote in his book - I hope no-one is naive enough to take it at face value. With all such things it is wise to ask who is to gain from the release if this "information". The answer is, obviously, Russia - and those in Armenia who wish to see Armenia remain as Russia's pet poodle in the Caucasus. Defending Armenia against the Turkish "bogey-man" is used as a reason to justify Russian military bases in Arrmenia, and Russian control of Armenia's borders and much of it's state aparatus. And an important section of Greek society sees itself as historically closer to Russia than to Europe, and will thus serve Russian interests whenever possible.

[The Mad Turk]

In July that year I remember sitting in a cafe in Igdir watching a column of Turkish armoured vehicles rumbling through the town, moving towards the border, fully ready for action, equiped with field ambulances, and with all the vehicle registration plates covered over with cloth.


Many of you says that they often come to Turkey,especially to eastern Turkey.I wonder what you people do in Iğdır or kars or ağrı.You must be American and you visit Turkey?İnteresting.Does turkey ask visa from you.Do you all speak turkish?Or are you a Turkish armenenian?Will you be kind enough to respond?

[bell-the-cat]

Many of you says that they often come to Turkey,especially to eastern Turkey. I wonder what you people do in Iğdır or kars or ağrı.You must be American and you visit Turkey? İnteresting. Does turkey ask visa from you.Do you all speak turkish? Or are you a Turkish armenenian? Will you be kind enough to respond?

To my knowledge, nobody else here has said that they often come to Turkey (except for the wino-creature who thinks that possession of a Lonely Planet guidebook to Turkey, and a few nights with a Turkish woman, entitles him to be an expert on the country).
As to your questions - the answers are: "it's none of your business, but I go to Igdir for their tasty mercimek soup, amongst other things" , "no", "yes", "not much", "no", "yes I have been kind enough to respond".

[bell-the-cat]

In July that year I remember sitting in a cafe in Igdir watching a column of Turkish armoured vehicles rumbling through the town, moving towards the border, fully ready for action, equiped with field ambulances, and with all the vehicle registration plates covered over with cloth.

The coup attempt in Moscow occured much later in the year.

At least I think it was 1993!
The "coup" certainly was 1993 of course, I remember watching the assault on the White House on TV in Georgia at the start of August, while waiting in Batumi for the police to find those responsible for robbing me of my video camera (they did, surprisingly). But my memory from Igdir might have been from 1992. I have no video material of Igdir from 1993, which suggests I was not there in 1993, but that may have been because it was stolen in Georgia.
See - that's what happens when you don't keep a diary!
It was an interesting annecdote anyway.

[skhara]

I did not know, neither ever heard of Tansu ciller's dealing on extending a helping hand to Azerbajcan or Abkhazia....but still I see no evil in it. It would be lovely, by the way, why not??? They are, after all , Turks! Armenia could stay an island surrounded by Turkic nations, and what the heck is wrong with that? For us, it is acceptable and peaceful....

Of coarse it is acceptable and peaceful for you, that is why you are the enemy. We'll resist having our people overan by alien hordes. What the hell is your intent here? As thus far all you have done is confirm the enemy status of Turks. Perhaps you felt some of us needed a reminder.

[Կարմիր Բ]

.including lunatic wishes for OUR land.

Who said that we want YOUR land?Nobody wants your land.Keep it.
We want OUR land and we will get all of it when the time is correct.

[skhara]

They are, after all , Turks!

I know!

http://www.geocities.com/master8885/Forces/NATO.html

[Կարմիր Բ]

Turkey never did try to directly challenge the USSR, Turkey was waiting for the Red Army's defeat at the Stalingrad and Wermachts sealing off of Northern Caucasus. We already know that there was a deal between Turkey and the third Reich.

Had Turkey attempted to enter before Stalingrad..there would be no Turkey today to speak of.The Red Army would have marched straight to Ankara and we would have a second D-Day.

But they didn't attacked back then because they are a nation of cowards.In all the battles that they have won, they were always more, they always had someone to help their asses,they were always better equiped by others.
They are jackals who attack in groups on a wounded lion.But the lion shall remain a lion instead of becoming a filthy jackal like them.


What was, may come again.It is all a matter of correct organising, a healthy state and govermental volition.

[The Mad Turk]

What was, may come again.It is all a matter of correct organising, a healthy state and govermental volition.[/QUOTE]




Every night at sleep ı dreem I won the lottory and that I am one of the richest in the world .I dreem sleeping with four young models,Armenian, greek,turkish and sweedish.I think everything is possible in our short life span.at least in our dreams...

[skhara]

But the lion shall remain a lion instead of becoming a filthy jackal like them.

Well said Red.