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  • #31
    hahahahahahahaha - please do continue to amuse us

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    • #32
      You can discuss certain issues here but leave it to your Congress to debate when and why to start war w/ Armenia.

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      • #33
        Neither side feels empathy for the grief of the losses of the other... Hot blooded animals.

        Yes, we need a form of competition to settle our scores (although outright war as things stand will totally wipe out the Armenians in Anatolia/South Caucasus), but to desire for the deaths of innocent civilians is disgusting. I would never want to be part of an Armenian or Turkish movement that embraces such a policy.

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        • #34
          I feel like going greywolf hunting.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by jgk3
            Neither side feels empathy for the grief of the losses of the other... Hot blooded animals.
            Should we also mourne the Nazi dead?

            Get it throuh your head joke Turk3 - Armenians were Genocided by the Turks - NOT the other way around.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by winoman
              Should we also mourne the Nazi dead?

              Get it throuh your head joke Turk3 - Armenians were Genocided by the Turks - NOT the other way around.
              I haven't read this discossion but it seems that someone is advocating violence or at least hoping for civilian deaths on the Turkish side. I say that's is absurd. You know what the whole world will think with such a mentality? That the Turks and Armenians are equally vile but the Turks beat us to it. Well it's not that way. We need to look at things objectively. The Turks committed an immense crime against humanity during the Ottoman Empire's last days and spent the following 80 years denying such a thing ever occured. We know this. The fight must be done with books and scholars. Because killing a mass of people that believe what they do because of bad education from a criminal government in the long run benefits nobody. However, putting people to shame in a international forum in a passive manner is potentially very profitable. Someone who gets upset and violent is expressing a lack of confidence in his position. We don't need to lack confidence because we're right. The only reason Turkey has a semblance of an upper hand in this matter is because of their alliance with the U.S. and that criminal country we know as Israel. If it wasn't for that nothing would stop all nations from siding with the culture that has so obviously been victimized and so obviously contributed the most to the rest of the world -- us.

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              • #37
                Stark - OK - well said. I think you are speaking of the likes of "Armenian" and others who possess a rather one dimensional view and seem to have learned their thought patterns from the Turks of old. I don't think any sane educated person/Armenian truly advocates genociding the Turks. I don't think that most Armenians possess hatred toward the common Turk - just for being Turkish - or even for being ignorant of our mutual history - however I have to say that when ignorant Turks come to an Armenian forum such as this and start to preach to us that we are somehow to blame and that Turks are pure and as a nation have done no wrong - but in fact were somehow wrongd by Armenians well yeah I say F them - how rude as well as ignorant and how completely insulting to us - they deserve to be treated like s hit. I have a number of Turkish friends and though not all see things exactly as i do - none wold presume to lecture me on such a sensitive subject - particularly when they are truly ignorant of the subject matter and where I know a great deal more about it then they do. Likewise I don't go around calling them loser or such just becuase of their rather dubious history as a civilized people or based on the ongoing pathetic and shameful denial efforts of their government and the fact that many Turks on the internet are rather rude and ignorant.

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                • #38
                  Their comments should not be graced with responses; they should be ignored. Completely. Regardless of one's position, if anyone thinks that they are going to make a difference, whether it be to make a lasting emotional impact or a change in opinion, on this forum or any other Armenian forum, they are wrong. If a Turk comes in here to start a feces throwing contest, it takes one person to inform them that from past experience it is known that discussion about the Genocide will go nowhere and therefore will not be perpetuated and it takes the rest of the contributors to ignore any subsequent attempts at instigation. Eventually, they will leave and everyone's blood pressure will be saved.

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                  • #39
                    perhaps

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                    • #40
                      (Discussion about genocide will go no where)

                      I completely agree.it is useless for us turks to come here and try to understand or impose our opinions.Nothing will change.And I am leaving for ever or for a long time lets say.But honestly ı would be very happy if you can politely answer my last few questions winoman.
                      1.Why do you visit Turkey so often?Do you speak Turkish?
                      2.How do people react in Turkey when you say you are Armenian?
                      3.What will happen after lets say Turkey accepts so called genocide.what is your next step?

                      And my final opinions is that in general there are no hostility between state Turkey and Armenia people .But when I meet with diaspora armenians ı feel real hostility.We Turks mostly understand Armenian sufferings.We feel sorry but we feel no shame for this.No reason to repeat the reasons.We saved our country with too much blood and real great struggle.All the world admired us.(if in fact this so called genocide accusations was in some other time than during this struggle we could may be accept it easier)Thats why we are very natonalist people today.İt may be possible to take parts of Turkey using the forces of Kurdish seperatists inside the country or other forces somehow. But this is extremely difficult since we are bonded to our country the strongest way in the world.
                      Thank you for your answers and
                      Best wishes, see you next april...

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