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    (Editorial piece by Turkish contributor)

    by Paul Gottfried by Paul Gottfried DIGG THIS Although it was not the intention of my remarks against the perpetually repugnant Abe Foxman (whose latest caper, by the way, has been to warn Catholics against the Latin Mass as an anti-Semitic time bomb) to belittle any group’s past sufferings, my implied objection was simply about characterizing the Armenian massacre in 1915 as "genocide." The fact that the crimes in question fit the tendentious UN definition, which conveniently omits the largest number of murder victims in the twentieth century, the victims of Communist "class war," is not a particularly convincing reason … Continue reading →

    (Liberatarian leaning website posts article re: Armenian genocide)

    The New York Sun covers America and the world from a base in New York. Its report comprises straightforward news dispatches and a lively editorial page…

    (Opinion piece in NY newspaper by J-ewish contributor entitled "Moral of the Armenian Genocide")


    (Opinion piece in Connecticut newpaper by Armenian contributor re: genocide issue being a political pawn)


    (Turkish newspaper publishes article re: ADL's defiance in maintaining that Armenians suffered genocide)

    Latest news on politics, business, lifestyle, sports and more from Turkey and the world at DailySabah.com

    (Another Turkish newspaper follows suit re: ADL's use of 'genocide')


    (Ditto re: ADL defiance)

    Turkish Daily News: Explore the latest Turkish news, including Turkey news, politics, political updates, and current affairs. Israel: Hamas Intelligence Deputy Head Shadi Barud Killed - 21:10

    (Turkish newspaper publishes article detailing Turkey's desparation in pressuring Israel to keep American J-urkish lobby in check re: maintaining the genocide denial stance in D.C.)

    The Atlantic covers news, politics, culture, technology, health, and more, through its articles, podcasts, videos, and flagship magazine.

    (Magazine's website publishes essay inquiring about "what to make of the ADL?")


    (Boston Globes O'Brien comes back with a followup piece about Tarsy's re-hiring with input from J-ewish and Armenian leaders)


    (Boston Herald republishes AP report re: Tarsy's return)


    (Vermont newspaper republishes AP report re: Tarsy's return)

    The Anti-Defamation League has rehired its New England regional director a week after he was fired for publicly saying the group should change its national policy by recognizing the 1915 killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks as genocide.

    (Armenian newssource republishes AP report re: Tarsy's return)


    (Combined xxxish Philanthropies website republishes same AP report)

    Breaking news about Satellite from The Jerusalem Post. Read the latest updates on Satellite including articles, videos, opinions and more.

    (Israeli newspaper reports on Tarsy's return)


    (UK newspaper publishes Robert Fisk's article entitled "The Forgotten Holocaust")


    (Robert Fisk artcile re: forgotten holocaust republished in Irish newspaper)

    Jamie Kirchick is making sense about the Anti-Defamation League's stonewalling on a Congressional resolution recognizing the Armenian genocide: For

    (Website of montlhy magazine posts blog critical of ADL)
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    adolescence
    & manhood (maturity) there
    should be sharp lines drawn w/
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    stories, songs & judgements

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    • Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

      [ SYSTRAN can be used to translate the following. Siamanto.]




      (Clarifications regarding Erdogan's unfounded statement that the ADL has reverted back to its previous stance where it did not recognize the Armenian Genocide.)

      nouvel épisode dans les relations tumultueuses entre tbilissi et moscou. la géorgie, par la voix de son ministre des affaires étrangères, a accu...



      RECONNAISSANCE DU GENOCIDE AUX ETATS-UNIS
      Génocide Arménien : Le Premier ministre turc prend ses désirs pour des réalités

      mardi 28 août 2007, Stéphane/armenews


      « L’ADL [ ligue Anti-Diffamation ] nous a envoyé une déclaration partageant notre sensibilité sur cette question » a déclaré vendredi 24 août 2007 le Premier ministre turc M.Erdogan cité par l’agence de presse Anatolie ajoutant « avec cette déclaration ils se sont rétractés de leur précédente affirmation incorrecte ».

      Malheureusement pour lui il s’avère que le chef du gouvernement turc a pris ses désirs pour des réalités. Certes dans son courrier A. Foxman, le président de l’ADL écrit « Je suis profondément désolé des discussions qui ont éclaté après que la Ligue d’Anti-Diffamation (ADL) ait modifié sa position concernant les événements de 1915 » car « Nous avons le plus grand respect pour vous et le peuple turc. Nous n’avions aucune intention de mettre le peuple turc ou ses dirigeants en difficulté. Je vous écris cette lettre pour exprimer notre douleur concernant les désagréments causés aux dirigeants et au peuple turc ces derniers jours ». Puis il ajoute que : « l’ADL travaillera pour renforcer les relations avec la Turquie. Cela rend notre chagrin plus lourd, de voir que les récentes discussions ont causé une tension dans nos liens amicaux ».

      Après un premier communiqué en date du 21 août où il indiquait qu’il considerait les événement de 1915 comme « équivalents à un génocide » le président de l’ADL avait tenu jeudi 23 août à rééquilibrer la situation en précisant « Nous devons encourager des étapes visant à créer une atmosphère dans laquelle l’Arménie répondra favorablement aux multiples ouvertures récentes de la Turquie pour réunir une commission commune afin d’aider les parties à trouver une résolution de leurs différences profondes. Nous croyons qu’il y a beaucoup d’historiens renommés, de militants des droits de l’homme et de leaders distingués du monde qui sont disposés à prêter leur connaissance, expérience et jugement à cette cause. Nous savons que récemment cette année, le professeur Elie Wiesel et plus de 50 de ses camarades lauréats du Nobel ont réclamé que des initiatives concrètes soient prises par la Turquie et l’Arménie pour aller de l’avant afin d’atteindre la réconciliation, et que, la semaine dernière, le professeur Wiesel a réaffirmé son soutien à des efforts de créer une entité dans lequel les experts turcs et arméniens puissent ensemble travailler afin d’examiner le passé commun des deux peuples. La force et la passion de la discussion nous laisse aujourd’hui plus convaincus que jamais que cette question n’a pas sa place dans un forum tel que le congrès des Etats-Unis. Le rôle approprié de ceux de nous qui croient profondément que la polémique peut être résolue est de favoriser et soutenir la Turquie et l’Arménie dans les efforts de les réunir afin de commencer le processus de la réconciliation. Bien que les chercheurs indépendants ont pu atteindre un consensus au sujet du génocide, dans un effort d’aider à la réconciliation, ce sera le lieu pour un examen savant impartial des détails de ces jours sombres et terribles. L’ADL et la communauté juive américaine devraient concentrer leur attention sur des efforts de soutien à la Turquie et l’Arménie afin que ceci puisse se produire ».

      Toutefois dans une tribune publiée le 24 août 2007 par le « Boston xxxish Advocate » et intitulé « Mission originale mais nouvelle position » Abraham H. Foxman déclare « toujours, nous avons eu un dilemme. Comme organisation ayant pour mission d’éduquer les personnes non seulement aux dangers de l’antisémitisme mais de toutes les formes de la haine, nous ne pouvions pas ignorer la tragédie terrible qui est arrivé aux Arméniens dans l’empire Ottoman. Et nous ne l’avons pas fait. Lors des réunions avec de hauts fonctionnaires turcs, nous les avons enjoint de prendre en main le passé et de parler à ce qui s’est produit. Nous avons fait cela à plusieurs reprises et nous continuerons à faire ainsi. Nous pensons que le gouvernement turc devrait s’occuper des implications morales de son histoire avec les Arméniens, en particulier parce que la Turquie occupe une tache critique dans la grande lutte de notre temps, l’effort de voir l’ islam modéré triomphé de l’extrémisme islamique. D’ailleurs, nous avons reconnu que les massacres et les atrocités ont eu lieu. Nous avons nullement été neutres à ce sujet. À la lumière de cette chaude polémique qui a entouré la question ces récentes semaines et en raison de notre souci pour l’unité de la communauté juive à la lumière des menaces accrues contre le peuple juif nous avons décidé de revisiter la tragédie qui est arrivé aux Arméniens. À la réflexion, nous sommes venus à partager l’évaluation de l’ancien l’Ambassadeur Sr Henry Morgenthau que les conséquences des événements douloureux de 1915 à 1918 étaient en effet équivalentes à un génocide. Tandis que nous continuons à estimer fermement qu’une résolution au congrès concernant de tels sujets est une déviation contreproductive et ne stimulera pas la réconciliation entre les Turcs et les Arméniens, nous n’hésiterons pas à appliquer le terme de génocide à l’avenir ».

      Il est toutefois malheureux que l’Agence France Presse et plus particulièrement son agence à Ankara ait diffusé vendredi l’information suivante et cela uniquement en anglais « Un groupe juif américain se rétracte dans sa position envers "le génocide" arménien ».












      (Conference between major J.e.wish organizations to align their positions regarding the Armenian Genocide and the resolution in the US Congress.)

      le général safar abiyev, ministre azerbaïdjanais de la défense, qui accompagnait le président aliev dans son escapade turque, a rencontré, le 15...



      RECONNAISSANCE DU GENOCIDE AUX ETATS-UNIS
      Réunion des principales associations juives des Etats-Unis au sujet du Génocide Arménien

      mardi 28 août 2007, Stéphane/armenews


      Un jour après que deux organisations juives majeures aient publiquement qualifié les massacres des Arméniens sous l’empire ottoman d’Arméniens comme un génocide, la principale instance communautaire de la communauté juive sur des affaires d’Israël a débattu pour savoir si elle devait vraiment prendre position sur la question et sur la résolution présentée devant le congrès.

      La Conférence des Présidents des Majeures Organisations Juives Américaines a tenu une conférence téléphonique tôt mercredi matin pour discuter de l’adoption d’une position. Le besoin s’est fait sentir un jour après que la Ligue Anti-diffamation ait radicalement changé sa position utilisant le terme de génocide pour décrire les massacres. Aussi mardi, le directeur du Comité Juif Américain, David Harris, a pris une action semblable dans une publication sur le site Web du « Jérusalem Post ».

      Malcolm Hoenlein, le vice-président exécutif de la Conférence des Présidents, a confirmé que les organisations membres discutaient de la question. Différentes sources ont déclarés que pendant la conférence téléphonique, le directeur national de l’ADL, Abraham Foxman, a défendu la nouvelle position de son organisation.

      En dépit de leurs déclarations rendus publics mardi, l’ADL et l’AJC continuent à s’opposer à une résolution du Congres qui déclarerait les massacres comme un génocide. Abraham Foxman a exprimé des craintes concernant une détérioration des relations Israélo-Turques et vis-à-vis de la sécurité de la communauté juive en Turquie. David Harris a écarté ces inquiètudes mais a affirmé qu’une résolution du Congrès pourrait nuire aux intérêts stratégiques des Etats-Unis et de ses liens avec la Turquie qui rejette catégoriquement l’étiquette de génocide. Morton Klein, le président de l’Organisation Sioniste d’Amérique, a déclaré que son organisation pense que c’est un « impératif que les juifs reconnaissent la vérité du génocide turc contre les Arméniens, malgré les relations de la Turquie avec Israel ». Il a également exprimé son soutien à la résolution du Congrès.

      « Reconnaitre cette vérité d’il y a d’un siècle n’accuse pas le peuple turc actuel ou le gouvernement turc actuel, de même que la reconnaîssance de l’Holocauste n’accuse pas le peuple allemand actuel ou le gouvernement allemand actuel » a déclaré Morton Klein. Il a ajouté : « il est grand temps pour la Turquie de reconnaître la vérité de l’histoire et d’avancer ».

      En février 2007 l’ADL, l’American xxxish Committee, B’nai Brith International, et xxxish Institute for National Security Affairs, à la demande d’Ankara, avaient envoyé une lettre aux parlementaires indiquant leur opposition à un vote de la résolution reconnaissant le génocide Arménien.













      (ADL may reconsider its stance regarding the resolution to recognize the Armenian Genocide by the US Congress.)

      le président arménien a reçu, le 9 mars, le chef du comité militaire de l´otan, l´amiral guido venturoni, en visite dans la région. ...



      RECONNAISSANCE DU GENOCIDE AUX ETATS-UNIS
      L’ADL pourrait soutenir la résolution reconnaissant le génocide des Arméniens

      mardi 28 août 2007, Stéphane/armenews


      Selon le journal israëlien « The Jerusalem Post » en date du 23 août 2007 la résolution du Congrès qui réclame de l’administration de Bush de reconnaître le génocide arménien sera mise à l’ordre du jour national des décisions politique à prendre de la Ligue Anti-Diffamation en dépit de l’objection précédente de l’ADL à une telle résolution.

      Mais le conseil régional de la Nouvelle Angleterre s’est daclaré mercredi 22 aôut 2007 en faveur de la résolution et Abe Foxman a déclaré que l’organe national de l’organisation considérerait la question lors de sa prochaine réunion le 1er novembre 2007. L’inscription de la question à l’ordre du jour n’est rien davantage qu’une question d’organisation interne a indiqué jeudi 23 aôut le président Foxman au journal israëlien « Jerusalem Post ».

      « Si le comité régional avait pris son téléphone et avait demandé nous aurions dit oui » a déclaré M.Foxman.

      Steven Grossman, ancien Président du lobby pro-Israêlien AIPAC et un ancien membre du conseil de l’’ADL a déclaré pour sa part qu’il ne croyait que la question de la résolution au congres recevrait un accueil favorable pour être discuté à la réunion nationale en novembre mais qu’il appartenait au comité de la Nouvelle Angleterre d’être persuasif pour faire avancer la question. « Si les seuls qui la soutiennent sont les membres du comité de la Nouvelle Angleterre elle ne passera pas mais il appartient à la région de la Nouvelle Angleterre d’en faire une question de haute morale et de dire que l’efficacité de l’ADL seraient augmenté en changeant sa politique » a déclaré Steven Grossman. Foxman "assurément" exprimera ses inquiétudes comme quoi le support de la résolution pourrait mettre la communauté juive en danger a dit M.Grossman « mais beaucoup d’autres membres juifs du congrès également très soucieux pour le peuple juif pensent que c’est la bonne chose à faire ».

      Un tel changement de politique au mieux doit être provoqué en établissant un consensus a dit M.Grossman « ce qui signifie approximativement une majorité des deux-tiers. Ce changement est justifié et a trop tardé ».

      Lors de sa réunion du mercredi 22 août le comité de la Nouvelle Angleterre a également voté pour un retour de son directeur régional Andrew Tarsy qui a été viré après avoir dit à la presse qu’il n’était pas d’accord avec l’opinion nationale de l’ADL au sujet du génocide arménien. Abe Foxman n’ a pas souhaité répondre : « c’est une décision de gestion et vous entendrez parler d’elle quand nous déciderons ».
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      • Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

        The 1952 debate over the reparations agreement with Germany was one of the bitterest in the history of Israel. "Sons of Jerusalem, citizens of Israel,"...

        (Magazine posts opinion piece by J-ewish contributor that backdoors mention of Watertown beatdown and Israel's idefensible position denouncing recognition of the Armenian genocide in article written primarily to blast Israel's refusal to accept Sudanese refugees; article blasts Peres; accuses Israel of always choosing realpolitik over morality)


        (New Yorker book review article that critics pending work of political scientists detailing the American J-ewish lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy; very insightful re: inner workings of lobby, the players and influence wielded in D.C., through media, etc.)


        (New England Ethnic news website publishes article reporting of interview of 2 J-ewish media members and two Armenian media members discussing the ADL and recent controversy over its stance on the Armenian genocide)
        Between childhood, boyhood,
        adolescence
        & manhood (maturity) there
        should be sharp lines drawn w/
        Tests, deaths, feats, rites
        stories, songs & judgements

        - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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          (xxxish Telegraphic Agency posts another Ben Harris piece detailing recent and pending diplomatic pressure placed on Israel by Turkey after ADL's shift and desperation of Turkish government in demanding that Israel keep American J-ewish lobby on board reromoting Turkey's genocide denial position in halls of Congress)


          (Political cartoon re: double standard on Darfur issue)


          (Interesting sub-plot between Norman Finkelstein and Alan Dershowitz; Dershowitz sandbags professor who believes J-ews overplay Holocaust card; personally, I think historically Dershowitz only recently came of age and became enlightened about stance recognizing Armenian genocide; before the Watertown beatdown, his leaning were far more in line with Pro-Israel, Zionist sentiments on Holocaust being only recognizable genocide; recently, Finkelstein blasted Israel and the J-ewish lobby re: hypocrisy on genocide denial stance [see above])

          Breaking news about Satellite from The Jerusalem Post. Read the latest updates on Satellite including articles, videos, opinions and more.

          (Jpost publishes another Michael Lando piece re: followup on state of affairs in Beantown after Tarsy was re-hired yesterday; includes quotes of local J-ewish leader and Armenian activist who operates the noplacefordenial website)


          (Turkish newspaper publishes another article demonstrating that Turkey is desperate for American J-ewish lobby to continue doing its dirty work in D.C. including ADL's unequivocal return to the DARK SIDE)

          Note: poll at JTA.org re: shows that majority believe that Israel and American J-ewish lobby should not be doing Turkey's dirty work re: opposing Armenian Genocide resolutions in Congress. see http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/home/index.html
          Between childhood, boyhood,
          adolescence
          & manhood (maturity) there
          should be sharp lines drawn w/
          Tests, deaths, feats, rites
          stories, songs & judgements

          - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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          • Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

            Time For Decent xxxs to Stand Up and Be Heard
            By Christopher Jon Bjerknes
            August 22, 2007
            When the indecent xxxish “Young Turks” took over the Ottoman Empire and began to slaughter Christians in 1909 and 1911, Brits pleaded with decent Western xxxs to do something to end the carnage. Their cries for help not only went unheeded, but indecent xxxish leaders defamed those who spoke out on behalf of the Armenian Christians, whom xxxs were mass murdering in the Ottoman Empire. Then, in 1915, these xxxs who led the Ottoman Empire genocided 1.5 million Armenian Christians.
            If decent xxxs had spoken out, these 1.5 million Armenians would not have been murdered. The same happened in 1919, when Brits begged decent xxxs to demand that the indecent xxxish Bolsheviks stop mass murdering Christian Slavs. Again, indecent xxxish leaders ridiculed these cries for help, and decent xxxs were largely silent. Tens of millions of Christian Slavs then perished at the hands of xxxish Bolshevists like Lazar Kaganovich.
            Today, Armenians are merely asking for recognition of the crimes perpetrated against them. xxxish leaders have long obstructed such recognition — little wonder why. When we tell the truth about these crimes, defamations are hurled at us for reporting the facts. It is high time for decent xxxs to demand that this end once and for all time.
            Today, indecent xxxish leaders are defaming Moslems and mass murdering them in Iraq, Palestine and recently in Lebanon; just as they defamed Armenian and Slavic Christians before genociding them. -- Printable PDF file
            NOTICE: Posted by the Anti-Defamation League by popular demand in the interests of historical correctness
            Anti-Defamation League (ADL) reverses course, recognizes Armenian genocide
            By Keith O'Brien, Globe Staff
            Tuesday, August 21, 2007
            The national office of the Anti-Defamation League reversed its long-held position today and acknowledged the Armenian genocide of 1915, saying in a statement that the mass killings of that era at the hands of the Ottoman Turks "were indeed tantamount to genocide."
            However, the statement reaffirms the national ADL's belief that the legislation pending in Congress to recognize the genocide is "a counterproductive diversion."
            The ADL's statement, released to the Globe and on the group's website this afternoon, came "in light of the heated controversy," which began weeks ago in suburban Watertown, where more than 8,000 Armenian-Americans call home. Days earlier, the ADL's national director, Abraham H. Foxman, fired the regional director of the New England ADL for making a similar statement.
            Anti-Defamation League (ADL) rehires New England director
            By Keith O'Brien, Globe Staff
            Monday, August 27, 2007
            The national Anti-Defamation League rehired its New England regional director today, barely a week after firing him for publicly breaking with the national leadership and acknowledging the Armenian genocide that began in 1915.
            The move to rehire Andrew H. Tarsy as regional director marked the second time in a week that the human rights organization has reversed course under pressure from the xxxish and Armenian-American communities. But Abraham H. Foxman, the ADL's national director, said he did not rehire Tarsy simply to appease critics.
            What mattered, Foxman said in an interview with the Globe today, was that the two men "see eye to eye." Tarsy was rehired, effective immediately, after conversations held over the last week. Both men said they are now moving forward together, rather than apart, and were happy to put their public rift behind them.
            By Keith O'Brien, Globe Staff
            August 18, 2007

            Andrew H. Tarsy
            The national Anti-Defamation League fired its New England regional director yesterday, one day after he broke ranks with national ADL leadership and said the human rights organization should acknowledge the Armenian genocide that began in 1915.
            The firing of Andrew H. Tarsy, who had served as regional director for about two years and as civil rights counsel for about five years before that, prompted an immediate backlash among prominent local xxxish leaders against the ADL's national leadership and its national director, Abraham H. Foxman.
            "My reaction is that this was a vindictive, intolerant, and destructive act, ironically by an organization and leader whose mission -- fundamental mission -- is to promote tolerance," Newton businessman Steve Grossman, a former ADL regional board member, said yesterday.
            "I predict that Foxman's actions will precipitate wholesale resignations from the regional board, a meaningful reduction in ADL's regional fund-raising, and will further exacerbate the ADL's relationship with the non-xxxish community coming out of this crisis around the Armenian genocide."
            Tarsy, 38, said he had been struggling with the national position for weeks and finally told Foxman in a phone conversation Thursday that he found the ADL's stance "morally indefensible."
            The regional board's executive committee backed Tarsy and, according to a source fa miliar with the discussion, even went a step further, resolving to support legislation now pending before Congress to acknowledge the deaths of 1.5 million Armenians during the World War I era as genocide.
            The national office's three-page response -- which it provided yesterday to the Globe -- did not mention the local office's intent to support the legislation. But it made clear just how far apart the two sides were on an issue with local, national, and international implications.
            The letter, signed by Foxman and Glen S. Lewy, the ADL's national chairman, said "we have acknowledged the massacres of Armenians at the hands of the Ottoman Empire and called on Turkey to do more to confront its past and reconcile with Armenia. We will continue to press Turkey, publicly and privately . . ." But the letter also makes clear that the national ADL feels the safety of Israel, which considers Turkey a rare Muslim ally, is paramount.
            The national ADL leaders also said employees who do not agree with the ADL's position should not differ pubicly, but should resign. "No organization can or should tolerate such an act of open defiance," the letter said.
            Asked how they would resolve the difference of opinion, both local and national leaders said they did not know.
            "They've taken a position," Foxman said in an interview. "We've taken a position. I hope they will read our position and hopefully we'll have conversations."
            Tarsy's firing -- and the national office's rebuke of the local office's independence -- marked the latest twist in a debate that began weeks ago in Watertown, home to more than 8,000 Armenian-Americans. Residents there became angry when they learned that the ADL was the sponsor of the town's anti-bigotry program "No Place For Hate" and, on Tuesday this week, the Watertown Town Council voted unanimously to pull out of the program.
            At issue was not the program itself, but rather a tangle of international politics dating back more than 90 years. From 1915 to 1923, Ottoman Turks massacred as many as 1.5 million Armenians in what is now modern-day Turkey. Armenians, historians, and some European nations have recognized the killings as genocide. But the Turkish government has refused to accept the genocide label and the national ADL refuses to use it as well.
            In a 438-word open letter slated to appear in advertisements inside local newspapers beginning next week, the ADL does not use the word genocide. Officially, Foxman reiterated yesterday, the ADL has no position on the genocide issue. But it does not support the legislation in Congress. In the open letter yesterday, the ADL called it "counterproductive" and the organization, founded in 1913 to fight anti-Semitism, worried what effect passing the legislation would have on xxxs living in Turkey.
            Critics say this position is hypocritical. Foxman "should understand that the truth of any genocide is not conditional upon political relationships," said Aram Hamparian, executive director of the Armenian National Committee of America in Washington, D.C. Rather, he said, it should be dictated by "truth" and "history."
            As recently as Tuesday night, however, Tarsy defended the ADL's position before a hostile crowd at the Watertown Town Council meeting. In explaining why he did it, Tarsy said yesterday that he was doing the best he could to explain the ADL policy while struggling at the same time to change the policy internally. Neither side would back down and he was fired.
            "I have been in conflict over this issue for several weeks," Tarsy said. "I regret at this point any characterization of the genocide that I made publicly other than to call it a genocide. I think that kind of candor about history is absolutely fundamental."
            Both the xxxish and Armenian-American communities rushed to Tarsy's defense yesterday in the wake of his firing and applauded him for taking the stand that ultimately cost him his job.
            "I'm devastated to hear the news," said Ronne Friedman, senior rabbi at Temple Israel, the largest synagogue in Boston. "I think he's really a quality professional and a wonderful person of conscience. I think it's an inexcusable behavior on the part of the national office."
            Grossman said Tarsy provided "moral leadership" and surely would have invigorated a new generation of ADL members in New England if he had been given the chance. Hamparian said it spoke poorly of the ADL's national leadership that Tarsy "was not rewarded, but fired for speaking the truth." And James Rudolph, the ADL's regional board chairman and partner at a Boston law firm, said he would miss working with Tarsy.
            "I'm disappointed," Rudolph said. "He was an extraordinary leader and I'm sure that a lot of people affiliated with the board and affiliated with the ADL share my disappointment."
            Rudolph, like Foxman, said he is hoping to have further conversations with the national office in the days ahead regarding the differences between them.
            But they will be doing it without Tarsy, who said that he has no idea what he will do next.
            "I have the greatest respect for the ADL and for its staff and leadership," Tarsy said, referring to the people he has worked with in the regional office over the years. "And I want very badly to see the ADL do what's right on this issue." -- Printer friendly PDF file

            http://www.antidefamationleague.us/#decent_xxxs_be_heard
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            • Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

              For his next trick, Mr. Foxman will dress up like the Fuhrer and sing nationalistic German songs while denouncng the Holocaust to protect the J-ewish community in Germany.

              And, then he'll shift back to recognizing the Holocaust but claim that it should not be recognized at the political level.

              It's ok let Abe stay atop the ADL, don't can him, its like pin the tail on the esh. He's singlehandedly eroded any goodwill and historical credibility the American J-ewish lobby has had on genocide recognition and as the moral authority of America let alone American J-ews.

              He certainly is not in tune with the community he claims to lead. And, we have had the privilege, the honor, the entertainment of watching him turn like the smarmy worm we all believed he was before this mess he brought upon himself by way of his self-righteousness.
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              In his own words condemning Mel Gibson http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4861_12.htm:

              Through his actions, he "finally reveals his true self." His shift acknowledging acts against Armenians "tantamount to genocide" is "unremorseful and insufficient". It is not a proper acknowledgment of the Armenian Genocide because it reveals his "bigotry" and Zionism.

              His proclamations that he is a "tolerant" humanitarian "were a sham". The bigotry was passed on from Turkey to him. It is unfortunate that it took the Watertown beatdown and grief he caused genocide survivors and victims' relatives to "reveal what was really in his heart and mind".

              "We would hope that the [American J-ewish community and Washington, D.C.] now would realize they have a bigot in their midst and that they will distance themselves from this [Zionist]."

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              He's duplicit in every way. Hate monger. Hypocrit. Liar. Defamer. Genocide denier. Xenophobe. Phony.

              He's an embarrassment to the Shoah, himself and humanitarians around the world. His legacy is that of pariah defending the indefensible.

              The ADL's position acknowledging acts against Armenians as "tantamount to genocide" is just "not good enough".
              Last edited by freakyfreaky; 08-28-2007, 11:25 PM.
              Between childhood, boyhood,
              adolescence
              & manhood (maturity) there
              should be sharp lines drawn w/
              Tests, deaths, feats, rites
              stories, songs & judgements

              - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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              • Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

                Late night Beantown report.


                (Anonymous opinion piece in Newton, Mass. newspaper gives David Boyajian props for taking the ADL to task in Watertown; champion of the beatdown in Beantown)


                (Same newspaper publishes article critical of Newton and its mayor for refusing to disassociate from ADL's NO PLACE FOR HATE program as of yet, taking the "wait and see" approach for now and setting benchmarks for continuing the town's participaton in the program on a go forward basis)

                Stay up-to-date with the latest news, stories and headlines in Boston, MA from Wicked Local.

                (Plymouth, Mass. newspaper publishes opinion piece by resident claiming that the ADL has demonstrated bias by choosing one genocide over another; stating that ADL's political gamesmanship is wrong and basically historical revisionism; commending Watertown and its residents for taing the ADL to the mat; and calling on Plymouth officials to take Watertown's lead and withdraw from participation from ADL's NO PLACE FOR HATE program)
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                Between childhood, boyhood,
                adolescence
                & manhood (maturity) there
                should be sharp lines drawn w/
                Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                stories, songs & judgements

                - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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                • Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

                  Gobble. Gobble. Gobble. It's Turkey hunting season.


                  (Newburyport Commission for Diversity and Tolerance to inform ADL in writing to unequivocally acknowledge Armenian Genocide and lobby congress to do the same or its curtains for the NO PLACE FOR HATE PROGRAM, commission to take up withdrawal for program again on 9/11; Commission intends to put "pressure" on ADL; David Boyajian told Commission that cutting ties would put pressure on ADL from bottom up; town resident states that ADL only shifted its stance on Armenian genocide because of pressure and more pressure should be put on them and expresses that she is offended and horrified at ADL's attempt to marginalize other atrocities; Commission does not want to associate with ADL unless they get their act together)


                  (J-ewish newssource reports as breaking news that Turkey's Ambassador to US has stated that while the Turkish J-ewry is safe regardless of what happens in Congress over the recognition resolutions, that he is unsure if the Turkish Israel US alliance would remain unscathed if the resolutions passed; claims that Foxman's claims that Turkish J-ewry would potentially suffer as a result of the success of the recognitions resolutions was false and demonstrates Foxman's historical ignorance; confirms that Foxman sympathizes with genocide deniers and that his recent expressions of sympathy to Erdogan were perceived as Foxman backing away from ADL's recent shift acknowledging the genocide; Ambassador says Turkey expects American J-ewish lobby to remain neutral on genocide recognition matter, acknowledges that issue may be tough for Israel and J-ewish community but "we have to seek the truth.")


                  (JTA's breaking news report above republished by NY J-ewish newssource)


                  (EU funded Turkish media research project publishes article clarifiying that despite Turkish claims, ADL has reconfirmed that it has not retracted its acknowledgment of the Armenian Genocide)

                  Turkish Daily News: Explore the latest Turkish news, including Turkey news, politics, political updates, and current affairs. Israel: Hamas Intelligence Deputy Head Shadi Barud Killed - 21:10

                  (Turkish newspaper publishes different article reporting the same: that ADL has not backed off its recent shift of policy recognizing the Armenian genocide; details that Israeli foreign minister called President Gul on Monday to reiterate Israel's position and that it will do its best so the American J-ewish lobby's stance does not falter despite the ADL's recent statement acknowledging the Armenian genocide)


                  (Armenian lobby in Europe republishes Azeri press agency report detailing how Turkey's relations with Israel are changing after the ADL reversed its stance)


                  (Same lobby republises Turkish newspaper article which was actually an opinion piece that is discussed fully above)

                  Turkish Daily News: Explore the latest Turkish news, including Turkey news, politics, political updates, and current affairs. Israel: Hamas Intelligence Deputy Head Shadi Barud Killed - 21:10

                  (Turkish newspaper claims Foxman's actions have opened up a new Turkey hunting season in the U.S.; article suggests that Turkey should face its past and suggesting joint commission futile)

                  Townhall is the leading source for conservative news, political cartoons, breaking stories, election analysis and commentary on politics and the media culture. An information hub for conservatives, republicans, libertarians, and liberty-loving Americans.

                  (DC-based Conservative website focused on informing, empowering and mobilizing citizens for change posts blog about Larry Craig controversy that ties in ADL controversy whereing the contributor, a J-ew, states that Foxman does not speak for him, the ADL claims to speak for the American J-ewry but is intellecutally insincere and cowardly, that the ADL got beatdown recently because Foxman refused to recognize the Armenian genocide and continues to use the Holocaust as a 'bullying club to beat his critics' [the real point that should be made is that the Larry Craig controversy got so much media play and Foxman's 'foot in the mouth' episode got little to no play])
                  Between childhood, boyhood,
                  adolescence
                  & manhood (maturity) there
                  should be sharp lines drawn w/
                  Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                  stories, songs & judgements

                  - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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                  • Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

                    [ SYSTRAN can be used to translate the following. Siamanto.]



                    (Namik Tan, jurkish ambassador to Israel:
                    1. We know how the American J.e.wish organizations coordinate their efforts with Israel; Israel can and should get them to revert back to denying the Armenian Genocide. (Namik Tan has worked with American J.e.wish organizations when in Washington)
                    2. The recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the J.e.wish community would mean "playing with???" one of the "fundamental principles" of our relations with Israel.
                    [A candid confession that the Armenian Question is one of the "fundamental principles" of the J.e.wish-Jurkish relations? Siamanto]
                    3. If you want to hurt our feelings, this is "question number 1;" the jurkish people does not differentiate between Israel and the J.e.wish Diaspora and expects support from both - "strategic relations.")


                    Paris le 21 février 2001-Armenews : Dans sa rubrique Kiosque le journal Le Monde a consacré près d'un tiers de page à la présentation du d...



                    RECONNAISSANCE DU GENOCIDE
                    Namik Tan : Israël doit obtenir des Juifs d’amérique un retour en arrière

                    mercredi 29 août 2007, Stéphane/armenews


                    La Turquie espère qu’Israel "contiendra" les organisations juives américaines et s’assurera que le Congrès des USA ne passe pas une résolution caractérisant comme génocide le massacre des Arméniens pendant la Première Guerre Mondiale a déclaré dimanche 26 août l’ambassadeur turc en Israel Namik Tan cité par le « Jerusalem Post ».

                    Namik Tan qui a du écourter ses vacances dans son pays pour retourner en Israel a indiqué qu’il avait compris que la position d’Israel n’avait pas changé, mais qu’ « Israel ne devrait pas laisser la communauté juive [ aux USA ] changer sa position. C’est notre espérance et c’est très importante, très important (l’ambassadeur a répété deux fois la même phrase) » .

                    « Si vous voulez toucher et blesser les cœurs des Turcs, c’est la question » a dit M.Tan précisant « c’est la question numéro 1. Vous ne pouvez facilement expliquer à aucun d’entre eux un changement sur ceci ».

                    Il a déclaré qu’il avait requis des réunions urgentes avec le premier ministre israélien Ehud Olmert, la ministre des affaires étrangères Tzipi Livni et laporte-parole de la Knesset Dalia Itzik pour leur indiquer l’importance de cette question en Turquie.

                    Selon l’ambassadeur, aux yeux du peuple turc, les relations stratégiques de son pays avec Israel sont non seulement avec Israel mais avec le monde juif dans sa totalité. « Il [ le peuple turc ] ne peut pas faire cette différentiation »a-t-il dit. M.Tan a indiqué qu’il avait compris que les organisations juivess américains étaient justes que des organisationss juives américains. Mais « nous savons tous comment ils travaillent en coordonnant leurs efforts [avec Israel] » a-t-il ajouté. Le peuple turc « attend un effort de la part d’Israel afin de remettre cette question en perspective » a précisé l’ambassadeur. « Sur certaines questions il n’y a pas de choses qu « Israel ne peut pas obtenir » a-t-il dit ajoutant que c’était l’une de ces question. Namik Tan, qui a servi deux fois à Washington dans les années 90 et a travaillé étroitement avec des organisations juives américains sur cette question a indiqué qu’Israel avait prouvé sa capacité de se prononcer sur cette question dans le passé. Tout en n’exprimant aucune menace quant à ce qui se produiraient si le congrès passait une résolution concernant cette question. Namik Tan a tenu à préciser que la Turquie « n’avait jamais joué avec les fondements de sa relation [avec Israel] ou avec les principes fondamentaux de cette relation ».

                    Une inversion de la position de la communauté juive américaine sur cette question, qui mènerait au passage de la résolution au congrès, serait comme jouer avec l’un des principes fondamentaux de cette relation stratégique a-t-il dit.

                    L’ambassadeur turc a également souligné l’importance psychologique de la résolution. La résolution dit « que vous niez le passé, il signifie que vous dîtes que mes ancêtres ont fait quelque chose d’inconcevable. Et le peuple qui sera encouragé par celà l’emploiera pour installer une campagne contre la Turquie et le peuple turc ».








                    (From "Turkish Daily News:" Mehmet Ali Byrand, the author, believes that, considering the recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the ADL and AJC, the resolution, in the US Congers, will pass despite the jurkish lobbying efforts. He sees two options for TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey:
                    1. A radical change in its policy towards Armenia
                    2. Keep the status quo and suffer the consequences i.e. international isolation and the label "genocidal.)"

                    dans l´édition du 6 mars du quotidien azerbaïdjanias bilik dünyasi, le ministre de la défense a affirmé que l´azerbaïdjan pouvait en...


                    RECONNAISSANCE DU GENOCIDE AUX ETATS-UNIS
                    Génocide des Arméniens : « Changer ou accepter » par Mehmet Ali BÝRAND

                    mercredi 29 août 2007, Stéphane/armenews



                    Samedi 25 août 2007

                    Turkish Daily News

                    Le congrès des USA va certainement approuver les résolutions arméniennes. Le coup mortel a été porté quand l’ un des groupes juifs les plus important a changé d’attitude. Nous, cependant, ne parvenons à ne rien faire au delà du simple lobbying. Nous semblons saluer notre « destin ». Mehmet Ali BÝRAND

                    Vous êtes probablement au courant des derniers développements. Le Comité Juif Américain (AJC), un des principaux groupe juif et la Ligue Anti-Diffamation (ADL) ont annoncé leur décision de reconnaitre les évènements de 1915 comme un génocide arménien. C’est un développement extrêmement significatif. Jusqu’ici, ces deux groupes ont soutenu les arguments turcs sur la question du « génocide » reconnaissant l’holocauste juif comme seul génocide dans l’histoire.

                    Ils n’avaient aucun désir de suivre les Arméniens dans leurs campagnes internationales concernant le génocide. C’est grâce à cette attitude des juifs américains - également soutenus par Israël - que la Turquie a pu bloquer avec succès les résolutions arméniennes au congrès des USA jusqu’ici.

                    Le fort lobby juif ne va plus soutenir la position turque. Ce changement d’attitude s’est produit à un moment si critique qu’il a presque garanti l’approbation de la dernière résolution arménienne attendant de passer par le congrès.

                    Actuellement 225 représentants des USA ont signés cette résolution qui passera probablement dans les mois à venir ou dans les deux premiers trimestres de 2008 (juste avant les élections présidentielles aux USA). Qu’est ce qu’Ankara fait contre le tout ceci ? Rien, en dehors du même lobbying.

                    Peut-être qu’Ankara ne sait pas encore ceci, mais la prévention de cette résolution par le lobbying n’est plus une possibilité. Envoyer en masse des courriels à Washington ou en Israël, en France ou dans d’autres pays de l’UE ne pourra pas bloquer les résolutions sur le génocide.

                    La Turquie a deux options maintenant.

                    La première est d’effectuer une modificaton de politique radicale et de rassembler tous ses moyens diplomatiques pour d’abord établir des relations diplomatiques avec l’Arménie et puis ouvrir les frontières entre les deux pays et d’avancer à partir de là.

                    La seconde est accepter qu’on ne peut pas changer et souffrir des conséquences : Être internationalement isolé et vivre avec l’étiquette d’un génocide.









                    (Declaration of John Evans regarding the recognition by the ADL and AJC of the Armenian Genocide.)

                    réunis à athènes le 8 mars à l´initiative du ministre grec des affaires étrangères, vartan oskanian, kamal kharrazi et leur homologue hell...



                    RECONNAISSANCE DU GENOCIDE AUX ETATS-UNIS
                    Déclaration de John Evans suite à la décision par l’ADL et l’AJC de reconnaître le génocide Arménien

                    mercredi 29 août 2007, Stéphane/armenews



                    L’American xxxish Committee et l’Anti-Defamation League ont fait le bon choix pour décrire les massacres en 1915 des Arméniens dans l’Empire ottoman en utilisant le terme historiquement précis qu’est "génocide".

                    Et le directeur de l’AJC David Harris a aussi raison de dire que "l’engagement et non le retrait est la meilleure stratégie." Le traitement de la question du Génocide arménien comme un tabou ne nous appartient pas - Arméniens, Turcs ou Américains - n’importe où, mais perpétue seulement une impasse de longue date et génère la nouvelle amertume. La question a besoin d’être prise carrément et honnêtement pour le bien de tous et pour l’avenir de la stabilité de la région.

                    John M. Evans

                    U.S. Ambassador to Armenia

                    2004-2006








                    (According to the "Turkish Daily News," TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey annulled its contract with the lobbying firm DLA Piper.)

                    le secrétaire d´etat colin powell a invité les présidents d´azerbaïdjan, haïar aliev, et d´arménie, robert kotcharian, a repre...


                    TURQUIE
                    L’annulation du contrat de lobby par la Turquie confirmée

                    mercredi 29 août 2007, Stéphane/armenews


                    Dans son édition en date du 24 août 2007 le « Turkish Daily News » choqué par la décision de l’ADL, la Turquie a décidé d’annuler son contrat de lobbying avec DLA Piper et de rester avec la société Livingstone. DLA Piper est connu pour être proches des démocrates aux Etats-Unis.
                    What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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                    • Re: Watertown Armenians in arow over ADL's anti-genocide stance

                      Matzo brei and cholent for lunch today. Or, gata and matnekash, if you prefer. But, definitely no Turkish delight.

                      Breaking news about Satellite from The Jerusalem Post. Read the latest updates on Satellite including articles, videos, opinions and more.

                      (jpost opinion piece commences by confirming that Armenian tragedy is widely recognized "as one of the first modern instances of systematic genocide"; identifies dispute over ADL's stance on addressing the issue;
                      explains how Israel is conflicted over issue because it must suppress to coddle its relations with Turkey; points to Yad Vashem including Armenian genocide in its curriculum, Wiesenthal Center experiencing 'pains' in including presentational material re: Armenian Genocide in its museum; refers to "J-ewish nation" being primarily focused on promulgating lessons of the Holocaust for humanitarian purposes including the restraint of recurring genocide; says "never again" really meaningless slogan pointing to Rwanda and Darfur and Holocaust lessons not actually fully "internalized"; Israel cannot agree to Turkey overlooking its 'dark' days in its past; denouncing genocide does not defame present Turkey, but acknowledges that Turkey as a successor government must take responsibility and not duck it [think, post WWII Germany and that little deal between Gurion, Peres' mentor, and Germany re: reparations]; genocide is occurring right now in Darfur and is a global tragedy that no nation can claim ignorance about; includes anti-Iranian propaganda escalating to quoting others accusing Ahamdenijad of "genocidal criminality"; basically, uses recognition of past genocides as message that nations should galvanize to stop genocidial ambitions pre-gestation like taking out Ahmadenijad/Iran)


                      The ADL's recognition of the Armenian genocide raises questions on relations between Israel and Diaspora Jewish organizations

                      (J-ewish newssource publishes in-depth article discussing interplay between American J-ewish lobby and Israel confirming among other things that these advocacy groups were involved/participated in the formation of Israel; also, discusses the interplay of the lobby and Turkish/Israeli relations)


                      (St. Louis J-ewish newspaper publishes opinion piece re: recognizing Darfur as genocide which ties in ADL controversy over the use of the word "Genocide")

                      Does anyone out there find it eery that the U.S. State Department's position on the issue of genocide recognition from atleast 2000 and the present reads almost like it came of Shimon Peres' desk with some window dressing providing by the American J-ewish lobby?
                      Last edited by freakyfreaky; 08-29-2007, 11:31 AM. Reason: additions
                      Between childhood, boyhood,
                      adolescence
                      & manhood (maturity) there
                      should be sharp lines drawn w/
                      Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                      stories, songs & judgements

                      - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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