Armenians & Turks & Medz Yegern

[Shahumyan]

Marx has been discredited?

By who? The Economist in Britain and the financial times still quote him proving he was correct.

im still waiting for some sources. i initially beleived that you would be interesting to discuss with, however it seems u just make petty slogans and statements along with childish jabs...dissapointing

[Anonymouse]

Oh, you really don't get it do you? You see I did a whole section on Marx wrote a whole research paper, and next semester I have a class on Marxist Theory and History.

Marxism is based on false premises and he himself made erroneous claims he didn't think about. More importantly, it is influenced by thinkers such as Adam Weishupt, who created the Bavarian Illuminati. They then formed the League of the Just, and ironically Mr. Lenin, a certain Vladimir Illych Ulyanov was in it as well.

[Shahumyan]

sorry, but im not gonna believe some bourgeoise lecturer from the US against what ive read myself

and im still waiting for some examples of your statement

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Shahumyan sorry, but im not gonna believe some bourgeoise lecturer from the US against what ive read myself

and im still waiting for some examples of your statement

Oh wow, that's comical. You're "not gonna believe" me? So this is essentially about belief systems and not objective analysis eh? We move about by faith, not science. We don't weigh in or analyze what we are going to accept as a belief, we just accept it on the basis that it sounds good and appealing in theory.

Then you go on to accuse me of a "bourgeoise lecturer" lol. You yourself have probably used that term so much you've forgotten its original meaning and intent. You've overused it to the point of meaninglessness.

Geee, with my income of rocks and leaves, and living in a xxxxty apartment, barely paying for school, wow I am really a bourgeoise. LOL! You are comical.

[Shahumyan]

i wasnt refering to you as a bourgeoise lecturer, i was refering to your lecturer....

anyway, its actually the first time ive used that phrase...

i laugh at the fact u moan about paying for school then hail capitalism, bitter irony

[Anonymouse]

Actually, the reason schools are expensive is because of government interferences in the private sector, setting wages and fixed prices, taxing, they all drive up prices.

Whoever said I moan about paying? It might not be what I like but doable. And even the current crises in prices exist in the first place because of the central government interferences. But if you must know irony first hand, I go to a "public university" and I pay. It has all the workings of a socialistic entity, except the price tag. It has created such a beaurocracy, that well, basically it's a life of its own.

In any event, I have yet to see you address the thread in the other forum regarding Marxism. You didn't run away I hope.

[TJ]

The simple fact of the matter is that when a socialist state is initially set up people are overcome with the propoganda and develop a fervor and are actually commited to the work and the nation and the welfare of all. After a certain period of time people become disillusioned with the system and they are tempted by their nature for gain, and more and they lose their dedication and self-interest overcomes them as it eventually overcomes every one of us, they are no longer dedicated to the state, the people their brothers and sisters. My own father related to me how in the factory where he worked noone had any initiative to work and people did their own thing. My father for example built an elaborate beatiful birds cage that is still in our family, while he was supposed to be working and this was the norm. The pure socialist state can only function for a limited amount of time and will eventually crumble due to our own nature.

[Anonymouse]

Excellent post my son! Keep up the good work. Here are some lollipops for you!

[Shahumyan]

ok, this is gonna be long long day....

Tigran
"The simple fact of the matter is that when a socialist state is initially set up people are overcome with the propoganda and develop a fervor and are actually commited to the work and the nation and the welfare of all."

-First off, in a workers state, the propaganda is controlled by the workers, not the beurocrats as occured in the Soviet Union

-Secondly, i suppose your so brainwashed that you forget the constant work the bourgoise channels broadcast, is this not propaganda? My friend it is, and it seems that your another victim of it. How many times was it mentioned that the Taliban was put in force by US imperialism? How many times is it mentioned that US imperialism props up arab dictatorships such as Saddam? How many times has it mentioned that in Iran in the first revolution Western Imperialism bought down the democratically elected Mosadeq? The same question concerning Allende? THe murder of Allende was committed with the 100% backing of US imperialism? how many times has CNN shown us this?
dont be blind, your better than that.....i hope


"After a certain period of time people become disillusioned with the system and they are tempted by their nature for gain, and more and they lose their dedication and self-interest overcomes them as it eventually overcomes every one of us, they are no longer dedicated to the state, the people their brothers and sisters. My own father related to me how in the factory where he worked noone had any initiative to work and people did their own thing."
- What your describing accurately is of the Soviet Union where the beurocracy didnt give a xxxx about production, but rather lining their own deep pockets...

"My father for example built an elaborate beatiful birds cage that is still in our family, while he was supposed to be working and this was the norm. The pure socialist state can only function for a limited amount of time and will eventually crumble due to our own nature. "
- Not down to nature. Down to the fact that the beurocrats payed people either way.


Anonymouse

"Actually, the reason schools are expensive is because of government interferences in the private sector, setting wages and fixed prices, taxing, they all drive up prices."
- Thats a bourgeoise government, since when was a bourgeoise government supposed to help the workers?

"Whoever said I moan about paying? It might not be what I like but doable. And even the current crises in prices exist in the first place because of the central government interferences. But if you must know irony first hand, I go to a "public university" and I pay. It has all the workings of a socialistic entity, except the price tag. It has created such a beaurocracy, that well, basically it's a life of its own."
- Again, its a bourgoise beurocracy, how can you compare this with a workers democracy?

"In any event, I have yet to see you address the thread in the other forum regarding Marxism. You didn't run away I hope."
-No, i simply have German coursework to do, and i prioritiseed that over what inevitably will be bourgeoise drivel, however i will look at it now

[Anonymouse]

Thats a bourgeoise government, since when was a bourgeoise government supposed to help the workers?

The present government, or "State" doesn't help anyone. Few realize that the reason why all the major corporations are flocking to China, is because prices are too expensive here. How does that happen? By government setting fixed wages, essentially setting a certain price below which you cannot pay. That socialistic idea is what is causeing these government created monopolies to go elsewhere.

Again, its a bourgoise beurocracy, how can you compare this with a workers democracy?

You are re-stating the same rehashed arguments, not by proving a point across, but simply stating "that is a bourgoise beurocracy". Unfortunately, dialogue doesn't work that way. "Bourgoise" is an outdated term, which doesn't describe the present ruling class, you probably forget that the term which you use like tic tacs, was essentially referred to the middle class. That's just silly.

No, i simply have German coursework to do, and i prioritiseed that over what inevitably will be bourgeoise drivel, however i will look at it now

Well, I have finals, you don't see me running away. You ran away from the Marxism thread I started in the other forum. Go back there.