Please Sign This Petition: Özür diliyoruz

[Gavur]

You guys already know how I feel about this so I am not going to burst anybodies bubble here. I am not going to get into what I think this Turkish government is up to. Time will prove my point. I just got one thing to say before I go.

When are we Armenians going to learn that Turks cannot be @#&$#!* trusted!!

Lal and Adra, your government is using you to their advantage. You Turks don’t realize how wickedly claver they are. How else they could convince 200 of our intellectuals with false promises to walk straight into their deaths in 1915 even though hundred and thousands of us were already massacred.

Sometimes I get so angry that I think we deserved what we got.

Hate will get us no
where especially self inflected kind.The 200 was persuaded at gunpoint,once they answered the summons from Karakol.

[ardakilic]

When are we Armenians going to learn that Turks cannot be @#&$#!* trusted!!

How else they could convince 200 of our intellectuals with false promises to walk straight into their deaths in 1915 even though hundred and thousands of us were already massacred.

Is there anything happening that i missed?

[Gavur]

This movement just didn't happen overnight and we should encourage it.

[lal]

Saco, you are talking about 2 different things. (1) the signers have no bad motives, but purely human ones. (2) the Turkish government may or may not try to use this to stall Genocide resolutions in foreign countries. These are 2 totally different things. Turkish government may try to use this to their advantage, and that's their prerogative. We Armenians should use this as an opportunity to close the gap between ourselves and the Turkish people and to nurture closer and warmer ties so that the good intentions of these people will prevail over any bad intentions of the Turkish government.

ı think armenians and diaspora armenians dont quite understand what is going on in turkey.
our attitude about armenian genocide is not necessaraly about our love towards armenians or nobody cares what eu thinks or our image in the world, or that we are scared of military of armenia or we are scared of the big kingdom of USA. things like that.

this is totally about ourselves. this is our revolt against turkish states policies against its own people.this is enough, we must be allowed to think whatever we want to, we must be able to talk about everything. ı am not obliged to think the same as turkish state thinks. if turkish state today can shamelessly defend that it was a good policy to send millions of people away,killed,raped stolen properties, well you see they can do the same things again to its people, to me ,to my father , to my mother again. who were armenians in 1915. they were the citizens of ottoman empire. they were not foreigners. and how can a state act against its own people. if they dont clean themselves today by an apology,how can we trust them today about anything?

they call us traitıors .we are declared as enemy in our own country. well, here ı declare that ı dont defend anything about armenian republic of today, ı condemn asala terrorists, ı dont support armenian politics about karabağ, if karabağ problem is not solved, ı dont care if the borders are kept closed for ever, ı completeley reject giving 1 cm land to armenia ,ım against giving any money to armenia. these are my opinions they can be wrong. but ı must be able to think whatever ı want to.

I DO ACCEPT THE ARMENİAN GENOCİDE happened 100 years ago, AND I DO APOLOGİSE AS A HUMAN.

and ı protest all turkish people and the government of turkey who cant even stand different voices.

[ardakilic]

This movement just didn't happen overnight and we should encourage it.

Let us look at some people who organize this campaign:

Fethiye Cetin: Lawyer of Hrant Dink. Her grandmother was Armenian and wrote "Anneannem" (My grandmother).

Orhan Miroglu: Politician and columnist. A leading figure of Kurd democracy movement.

Baskin Oran: Professor, columnist in Agos.

Osman Murat Ülke: Conscientious objector and anarchist. Stayed in prison for a long time.

Halil Berktay: Histroian. One of people who dared to use term genocide.

[Steph]

This movement just didn't happen overnight and we should encourage it.

I was living in Germany when "the Wall" came down. What had started as a lttle ripple became a wave became a tsunami, not overnight but surprisingly quickly.

Crazier things have happened but depending on what the turkish authorities do, anything could happen.

[Steph]

ı agree with you. you are a very smart guy. you got us.we are also paid by the government to sign there and even to write here,to look symphatetic to armenians.

ı think this is a very good example of how deep both people are poisined by this issue.

aha!! lal, you're the current Minister for Education and not the future one!!

[mthT]

Guys, brace yourselves for this. Five minutes ago I heard on TV that this petition may completely be a political move. According to some smart people, this is just a move to sort of close this issue up instead of accepting the Genocide properly. Something smells fishy here. I'm not saying the signers are politicians, lol, I'm just saying maybe the Turks will use them as an advantage to realize their own plans .

go see a neurologist.

[salutetrk]

Our president A. Gul has risked his political career once more and said that campaign can be considered as a sign of freedom of speech in Turkey. Many opponents are saying that his attitude means supporting of the campaign. A member of parliament from main opposition party (CHP) said that Gul has an ethnic Armenian origin. She claims that his grandmother was Armenian. I am not celebrating when a Turk became the leader of a political party in Germany and I don't care about our president's ethnic origin but I feel shame since a members of Turkish parliament do care about that.

[may]

I'll start my post with an idea I deeply believe in: If Armenians and Turks evaporate tomorrow, no one in the world will care.

And continue with one thing I sincerely feel (a bit exaggerated, tough): A prefer a punch on my nose from an Armenian than a accusing question from a European regarding the genocide issue.

As Hrant Dink said it many times, the problem can only be solved by us - Armenians and Turks, not by international laws. No offense, but Armenians are just a bunch of votes in France, just like Turks in Germany. Do anyone believe in any human morality values that French's racist government can possess? (Here I strongly stress the difference of government and the people, because we suffer a lot from the lack of distinction in this forum) Do anyone believe a law passed by French government that committed huge crimes in Algeria means anything? Or the laws passed by U.S. or U.K. who are responsible of many lives in the world, directly killed by their guns or indirectly by the policies they impose on the world? They are just tools for them to gain more votes. Or case studies for powers (the real cause of worlds injustice and many killed people) in which they single out chosen scapegoats and attach all crimes against humanity on nations that they have power on. So that they will curtain their own history of bloodshed, not even "justifiable" with saying that "they were going to take our lands". Because those crimes that they are guilty of are not even in their homeland.

So what's the relationship of this petition to all these things? This is an attempt, an honorable attempt to solve this issue between US (not the country, us- Turks and Armenians)! The decleration does not use the term "genocide" not to make Turkish people feel that they are put in a position of carrying the burden of all crimes in humanity with one single signature. They say "I empathise with the feelings and pain of my Armenian brothers" and add: "I apologize". Let me ask you, if they did not say "I apologize", will it be less valuable? Probably yes, but while Armenians ask for recognition, the declaration before apology could also work it out, it would be a safe strategy if they ever wanted to be politically strategic. They took one step further, as if they committed the crime themselves, they apologized, in the expense of putting themselves to the spot of nationalist hatred. And the reason is, just to make it more valuable, giving more than Armenian initially ask (recognition I mean).

You may have other interpretations of the wordings, the demands of Armenian, I am just talking on what I read, what I heard and what I think.

EU??? Who gives a damn about it? Who can claim that these are done for EU? I'll tell you who: The racists, and not only from one side, from both sides. Turkish side to claim that these people betray their country to look nice to EU, and Armenian side to put out the small fire before it grows bigger and warms up everybody, by saying that Turkish side is doing that for EU not for the brotherhood of two nations. The people, the politicians who are fed with the hatred are saying it, nobody else.

Trying to attach EU to the reason of declaration is a pity attempt... But it is pitier to see the supporters emerging...