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  • #41
    Originally posted by PatriotTurk View Post
    By the way it'll be a good idea to invite Turks to commemorate together 24th of April in 2009.
    Yes.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by PatriotTurk View Post
      It's still very tabou subject in Turkey, we are at the beginning of the process and it'll take time. We need our Armenian brothers support and patience. As mentionned Turks are not one bloc, historical books and personal stories multiply. Only civil society will change the way politicans handle this question. Collaboration between Turkish and Armenian historians, researchers, professors, journalists and intellectuals is essential.
      Plot theories are very usual in Turkey and also this part of the world. We need moderate Armenian voices to assure the Turkish people that there is no financial nor territory claims but only justice, to condemn Armenian violence during WW1 and ASALA terrorism...I don't know how but a big symbolic gesture condemning ASALA and WW1 assasinations would be VERY well received by Turks. We need your support! By the way it'll be a good idea to invite Turks to commemorate together 24th of April in 2009.
      We need moderate Turks to tell the Turkish people those court condemned man of the CUP was executed by Armenians because they were sentenced in absentia,also if it was'nt ASALA's equating denialist Turkish diplomats with ones actually organized and carried out the crime,eventually woke up the global hybernation regarding this issue.
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Gavur View Post
        We need moderate Turks to tell the Turkish people those court condemned man of the CUP was executed by Armenians because they were sentenced in absentia,also if it was'nt ASALA's equating denialist Turkish diplomats with ones actually organized and carried out the crime,eventually woke up the global hybernation regarding this issue.

        if the majority of armenians think this way,asala did a good job killing turkish diplomats randomly, plus Karabağ issue is over ,no need to compromise with azeris,plus let obama accept the genocide,who cares what will happen to friendly turks in turkey and negative effects of this between turkey and armenia,

        ı still support the apology from turkish side. but the reason is not to satisfy armenian people who think like above and support violance,

        the reason ı support the apology is the great injustice done to ottoman armenians 90 years ago and hiding this is immoral,nothing else. they were our people,our sisters,they were not foreigners from outside. they certainly need their honour to be given back. no human deserve such total destruction.

        on the other hand,if the general attitude is this way among armenians,and this is the politics of armenia Republic, ı support turkish government not to open the borders,keep on the ambargo and cut all off all the relationship with armenia for ever.

        the reason ı think this way is not my nationalistic feelings and desire of getting back lost lands Karabağ,but my disgust and extreme hatered against terrorizm and violance. if armenians support terrorizm, they must know by now that they cant even come close to turks in this catagory.

        maybe mr jıseph can ban me now,that ı cant think exactly like an armenian ,ım sorry.

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        • #44
          “The real Turks” are like Borgs (Star Trek). The “Collective” must prevail. Assimilation is the only path besides elimination. There is only one Turkish Identity.
          Hundreds of Thousands of people could sign that petition but the collective conscience of Turkey will never apologize. They will never allow it to go above 49.9% of the population.

          The “good Turks” of Turkey (our friends) do have a fighting chance against the Turks who fit the Turkish definition of a “good Turk” (our enemies). It is our duty as Armenians to support you in anyway we can; you are heroes and all who sign must be recognized as such by Armenia. I wish we had the power to protect you from your Ultra Nationalists and help you more positively to drive this forward.
          Do not underestimate Egrenekon/Gray Wolfs influence and treachery. I apologize for my lack of trust but for all I know this is could be nothing more but an attempt (or a decision to allow it to continue) to round up all the names of Turks that could possibly give them trouble in the future, kind of a screening of their population. If these numbers start going above what they expected they will start to use fear tactics to stop it. They might be doing this already. They know the winds of change are blowing in Turkey so they are preparing themselves. This is not just an Armenian issue. If I was a Turkish Ultra Nationalist I would want to know who these Turks are, how much influence they have, and how much trouble they can be.

          For all the Turks who have signed I like to say; Thank you very much, apology accepted and I also apologize for putting all Turks in one bunch and not noticing that we have such good friends in Turkey where I least expected it. I may not be referring to you as the “Real Turks” but you are the ones who deserve to be called the “True Turks” who will one day represent an honorable Turkish Nation. God be with you.

          Lal, my dear Turkish female friend, it is not Honor that Armenians have lost, in contrary, they have shown great honor under the circumstances, it is their pride that has been taken away for ever. You and others like you are the ones who will one day restore Turkish honor.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by lal View Post
            if the majority of armenians think this way,asala did a good job killing turkish diplomats randomly, plus Karabağ issue is over ,no need to compromise with azeris,plus let obama accept the genocide,who cares what will happen to friendly turks in turkey and negative effects of this between turkey and armenia,

            ı still support the apology from turkish side. but the reason is not to satisfy armenian people who think like above and support violance,

            the reason ı support the apology is the great injustice done to ottoman armenians 90 years ago and hiding this is immoral,nothing else. they were our people,our sisters,they were not foreigners from outside. they certainly need their honour to be given back. no human deserve such total destruction.

            on the other hand,if the general attitude is this way among armenians,and this is the politics of armenia Republic, ı support turkish government not to open the borders,keep on the ambargo and cut all off all the relationship with armenia for ever.

            the reason ı think this way is not my nationalistic feelings and desire of getting back lost lands Karabağ,but my disgust and extreme hatered against terrorizm and violance. if armenians support terrorizm, they must know by now that they cant even come close to turks in this catagory.

            maybe mr jıseph can ban me now,that ı cant think exactly like an armenian ,ım sorry.
            No one's going to ban you. I think you may have misunderstood Gavur. I don't think he was saying it was right for ASALA to kill innocent people. I think he was saying that those killings resulted in the awakening of the world to the Armenian Genocide, which had been repressed for 50 years. There is no justification for murder. Not even a worthy cause like getting justice for a Genocide justifies murder. I think this is why ASALA eventually had to disappear. The Armenian people could not support them and the majority of our people did not support these actions. That's why you haven't heard a peep out of ASALA since 1984.

            Karabagh is another issue. I urge you to read about it from non-Turkish and non-Azeri sources before you take a position. Armenians are making concessions, but the Azeris so far have not indicated that they will accept anything less than total return of all of Karabagh to Azeri rule. That's not a possibility for Armenians, because we all know that a return to Azeri rule will mean the end of the Armenian people in Karabagh. There's no question about that. If you have any doubts, then see what the Azeris do to even our sacred monuments and graves, let alone what they would do to our people. If they are doing this in the modern age, can you imagine that they would let Armenians live in Karabagh?

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            • #46
              Lal and others,

              Maybe this petition demand is a very little step, but i believe it is a turning point like Hrant's assasination or national match. Maybe we are or will be threatened or they want to make us feared; but still i hope we wont.

              Do we have only 12 000 people? I dont think so. However, even if we are one or two person, this justice struggle on behalf of Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Greeks... will lead us in peace.

              Liberation of Armenians will set Turks free.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
                Lal and others,

                Maybe this petition demand is a very little step, but i believe it is a turning point like Hrant's assasination or national match. Maybe we are or will be threatened or they want to make us feared; but still i hope we wont.

                Do we have only 12 000 people? I dont think so. However, even if we are one or two person, this justice struggle on behalf of Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Greeks... will lead us in peace.

                Liberation of Armenians will set Turks free.


                yes but ım still scared really. do you think they will find out who we are and threaten or damage us individually?

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by lal View Post
                  if the majority of armenians think this way,asala did a good job killing turkish diplomats randomly, plus Karabağ issue is over ,no need to compromise with azeris,plus let obama accept the genocide,who cares what will happen to friendly turks in turkey and negative effects of this between turkey and armenia,

                  ı still support the apology from turkish side. but the reason is not to satisfy armenian people who think like above and support violance,

                  the reason ı support the apology is the great injustice done to ottoman armenians 90 years ago and hiding this is immoral,nothing else. they were our people,our sisters,they were not foreigners from outside. they certainly need their honour to be given back. no human deserve such total destruction.

                  on the other hand,if the general attitude is this way among armenians,and this is the politics of armenia Republic, ı support turkish government not to open the borders,keep on the ambargo and cut all off all the relationship with armenia for ever.

                  the reason ı think this way is not my nationalistic feelings and desire of getting back lost lands Karabağ,but my disgust and extreme hatered against terrorizm and violance. if armenians support terrorizm, they must know by now that they cant even come close to turks in this catagory.

                  maybe mr jıseph can ban me now,that ı cant think exactly like an armenian ,ım sorry.
                  It's hard to walk in someone elses shoe,aint'it?
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by lal View Post
                    yes but ım still scared really. do you think they will find out who we are and threaten or damage us individually?
                    Lal, i have to confess something.

                    Yes they can do. I have imprisoned for a while, and sentenced in Turkish courts and easily can claim that i well know their mechanisms.

                    But to be honest, i dont see any risk. Take it easy my friend and just feel the inspiration of justice. My humble advice is that.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by lal View Post
                      yes but ım still scared really. do you think they will find out who we are and threaten or damage us individually?
                      LAL, there are already more than 12,000 people signing the petition in just 2 or 3 days. Are they going to put 12,000 people in jail (or more like 50,000-100,000 before it's finished)? Of course not. They cannot. There is no turning back to medieval times.

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