Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

[Federate]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

Let's not forget the man went to Turkey and standing right next to the Turkish president IN the Turkish parliament devoted an entire section of his speech to Armenians even though he could have simply ignored it.

There's not much we can expect from puppets like US presidents but it's safe to say that I am pretty satisfied with Obama's statement yesterday and recent actions, probably the best since Reagan. From Obama's statement: I have consistently stated my own view of what occurred in 1915, and my view of that history has not changed. My interest remains the achievement of a full, frank and just acknowledgment of the facts.

This is not bad. This is a very overlooked and important statement. The first part is about his personal acknowledgement of the genocide. The second part is what should interest us and what should be much more important than the president's statement. He is acknowledging that he still supports the resolution on the AG that would recognize the events. He has in fact now put more pressure on him to support the future bill. These Armenian-American organizations will need to use this part of the statement to their advantage and pressure Obama more. Pelosi we already know is pro-Armenian and Biden is pro-Armenian as well and has been calling the Armenian president twice in the last 4 days. Not sure if it's related but it's still something when the American VP initiates two telephone calls with our obscure nation's president.

As a side note, did anyone else notice that "Medz Yeghern" (Great Calamity) instead of genocide has been picked up by many people these days. The Turkish petitioners apologizing have been using it as well. May be a new strategy to avoid the G-word.

[Eddo211]

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I went to the one in Little Armenia, and afterwards we went to my friends grandmas house which was right next to the march. Didn't have time for the embassy. Did Hyeriders show up again?

Just before Wishire Blvd was closed off they rode by and stopped right in front of the consulate revving up their Harleys, real cool. Later I saw them on foot.
Armenians from all walks of life…………this was a well-organized and skillfully conducted demonstration. I wasn’t expecting such a huge crowd.

The only think I didn’t like was the attitude of LAPD. Also at one point (across the street) they had two teenage Armenians surrounded and against the wall searching them. Some of us seeing what is going on surrounded the cops…….for few minutes there it looked like a Mexican standoff. I had the flagpole in one hand and my video cam in the other pointing straight at them letting them know that if they make one wrong move on those guys I am shootin. They ended up letting them go.


Hellektor, our representatives speaking yesterday in little Armenia stressed as well that recognition by itself is not a requirement for us to pursue the other two objectives legally and we must not fall into this trap of believing that recognition is the first step that must be resolved before anything else can happen.
One suggestion was to increase what already has started to happen…….flooding the responsible institutions with lawsuits.

As a side note, did anyone else notice that "Medz Yeghern" (Great Calamity) instead of genocide has been picked up by many people these days. The Turkish petitioners apologizing have been using it as well. May be a new strategy to avoid the G-word.

I agree Federate. this is a good strategy..........It also ridicules the G-word as if it is a curse word which puts the shame on the leaders.

[Hellektor]

Re: Pelosi: It's genocide

Pelosi: It's genocide



Breaks with Obama on Armenia

Don't fall into the trap of these crypto-Jews. This is just part of the show. They damn well know what Armenians with petrified views stubbornly and hopelessly wish to hear from the head of state. Of however little worth it actually is, it is still more worthless (if possible) when it comes from anybody other than that head of state.

[Sako]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

Our representatives speaking yesterday in little Armenia stressed as well that recognition by itself is not a requirement for us to pursue the other two objectives legally and we must not fall into this trap of believing that recognition is the first step that must be resolved before anything else can happen.

Leaders here in Yerevan have also been talking about things like that Edo jan. They made it clear that we shouldn't put too much importance on Obama's speach (I mean the entire city was eagerly waiting to hear it ... including me, I won't lie). They were right...

I kept thinking for a month or two that Obama would keep his promise (although I knew inside that I shouldn't expect much). Anyways, today I felt real pissed but I've moved on. The recent events helped me see the bigger picture in a new way and gave me a new and much more powerful source of inspiration and the power to move on and take bigger and smarter steps forward.

Arach joghovurt ... chhusahatvek ... YERPEK!

[Hellektor]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

As a side note, did anyone else notice that "Medz Yeghern" (Great Calamity) instead of genocide has been picked up by many people these days. The Turkish petitioners apologizing have been using it as well.

You want to tell us the head of state of the most powerful nation/country/empire/economy/army/industry... in entire human history cannot bring himself to utter this simple truth and fears the most worthless garbage ever to have been thrown up from the trashcan of the universe, the genocidal Inhuman Culture-deficiency Virus going by the four-letter insult to humanity Turk? What? Is the gray wolf going to bite his balls? It seems the president of the omnipotent US of A does not have the balls to utter this simple truth, no matter the color of these balls be pink or black.

I am truly disgusted; I find this utterly nauseating and bland. Not just the same trick being played on us for decades, but also (and more so) our obstinate and stupid gullibility. Nothing less than a clearly articulated “Genocide” will do, period.

May be a new strategy to avoid the G-word.

What the hell for?

[Hellektor]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

I have consistently stated my own view of what occurred in 1915, and my view of that history has not changed. My interest remains the achievement of a full, frank and just acknowledgment of the facts.

As far as the context of this yearly address, I for my part am not interested at all in anything other than the achievement of a full, frank and just pronunciation of the term Armenian Genocide. No polishing of shit will do for me.

This is not bad.

It is not bad, it's worse.

[CRDA-France]

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Scum will breed scum... until the cycle is broken

My English is not so good. By "scum", is it meant "dirt", "mud" ? Or "foam" ? I seems it is in a negative sense (dirt, mud) refering also to a sense of a vicious cycle ?

Well, things have changed : because of internet. We can inform people what is happenning and get out of that circle, of our confinement in which they try to keep us prisonners :

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/ainconscient/3structures_genocidaires/structure_genocidaire.htm

They do their best to make the victims guilty : what did they do with coloured people, with descendents of slaves ? It is a classical phenomenum.

So to go out of that (vicious) cycle, the way to break it, is to share our memories, our problems with other victims, that is to say :

- 1/ African Americans (= descendents of slaves who were victims of Crime against Humanity)

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/ainconscient/3structures_genocidaires/africanite1.htm

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/4diaspora/3mondial/monde_usa_blacks.htm

- 2/ and Native Americans (= the indigenous people as we were in Armenia to whom the land was stolen)

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/9genocide1915/f_bautochtones.htm

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/9genocide1915/f_bindiens_americains.htm

Everybody at his own level, we can break this circle by informing them.

Take care. Nil (Paris)

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0en/cblacks_armenians/0home_c.htm

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[Gavur]

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I'm sorry, I just can't help it when people express such blind zeal and faith in not only the political system, or politicians, but the world's biggest Empire's Emperor.

What you are referring to here my young friend is my confidence level, not my zeal.Political process is how we get things done and move forward in a civilized society, sooner or later since its wheels turn slowly.

[Gavur]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

Are people that obtuse? Do they lack even an iota of critical thinking and thinking for themselves without associating themselves with the political system? I'm not trying to offend you but I'm just so perplexed at this continued faith in Obama (or any politician) with almost religious fervor to it. "Let's not just his character." Damn right I'll judge his character. He is a politician, he has no character.

I believe my statement was "Let's not just his character.YET".Politics is his trade, and yes character counts , whatever trade you may be in.

[Gavur]

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He will sell his soul for a gain in the polls. That is what politicians are.

After all the evidence stares at you in the face you actually have the faith to proclaim "He looks like a man who finishes what he starts."? Jesus.

What he will sell his soul for is only between and his creator.Evidence does show by the way he did what was best for Armenians at this point, and evidence shows he has a relentless character that will follow up on this issue and take action when necessary.It's the pressure that is most effective to change Turkey from it's false path not another impotent declaration by a "politician" ....