Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

It's the pressure that is most effective to change Turkey from it's false path not another impotent declaration by a "politician" ....

Exactly. Real pressure, a change in the geopolitical tide, not some announcement by Saint Obama, who is already bought, sold and paid for by globalist interests.

[Gavur]

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I'm glad you can point to my "young" status, as somehow bearing on what the content of my message is. Implied in your statement is some moral high ground that comes with age (which is untrue).

Anon,I'm happy to see you can read between the lines.Now the lines.

Implied here is the impatiences and tendency to emphasize action instead of option, that marks youth(hotblooded).Like the saying goes the rightful prosecutor that has a airtight case loses it, because he starts by referring to the blind judge as "dear blind judge" now that's zealousness,that's pointing your finger in it.Because of ones approach one may become right even if they're wrong and wrong even if they're right:life is not an exact science, but an art that blooms faster with thought, not action, life experience will show you that to make what you value lasting you must think 9 times and act once, because aftermath of action always brings a new cycle that you must fully in advance be prepared to deal with. If these is offensive to you it was't meant to be, I apologize if it made you feel inferior.

[Gavur]

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In fact, quite the opposite seems to be the case as evidenced by posters here who are well beyond their 40s, such as Siamanto, or Ara Baliozian - the older the people get, the more regressive and rigid they seem to become in their thoughts, while at the same time making claims of "tolerance" and "open mindedness"

I don't know who you are quoting here ?

[Gavur]

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compromising principle for the sake of political expediency

Remind me again what which of grandpa's principal he comprised?

Granpa Gavur's principle is
1)Keep global pressure on every Turkish government until their own people have the freedom of thought and speech.And we have been accomplishing that.Just in the last decade a huge difference in public opinion in Turkey has occurred.
2)I always believed people can change for the better, given the chance, in fact I believe I am lot less rigid in this principle than most (young or old)

3)The institutions in Turkey that promote hate and intolerance towards all people must be destroyed , but by their own will,of course not ours.

[Gavur]

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for we are about as open minded, as the the last idea we accepted as a truth, for that necessarily implies the opposite of what we accepted as being false, and therefore, we have by the fact itself closed our mind as to that which is false to our truth.

I couldn't exactly get your drift here but I for myself always accept truth or falsity as to what they are related in context.

what[/I] about politics is "civilized"? That the people wear suits, sit around tables, shake hands, and speak in front of a microphone? These "public servants"? I am willing to accept the definition of politics as the mode of how human relations are governed by fiat, but never will I accept politics as somehow the way "civilized society" is supposed to operate. Why do we have this notion that all history is a linear progression, or that somehow we are "civilized"? Maybe we are not civilized as we like to believe? Maybe humanity is suffering from one giant psychosis. All political systems are premised on coercion, i.e., politics is about coercing your views onto the others who are the politically weak masses. How is that "civilized"? That seems to be downright unethical, wouldn't you agree?

No disagreements here , I was after all talking about the process.

[Gavur]

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If you are going to completely ignore what I said then I have nothing else left to discuss.

Again jumping the gun hold on, grandpa cannot type that fast!

[VartanK]

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I thought Obama in his speeches in Turkey was very courages and sincere.There it is , and he put the ball in the Turkish hands it's their move.
But lets not make a judgment on Obamas character just yet.He looks like a man who finishes what he starts.

Yes, it took a lot of courage to include the Armenians in his speech and put at stake the US interests. Even if he will not "finish what he started" he's moving in the right direction and that counts.

Let's not forget the man went to Turkey and standing right next to the Turkish president IN the Turkish parliament devoted an entire section of his speech to Armenians even though he could have simply ignored it.

I agree with the above.

[Gavur]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

Katch Vartan!

[Palavra]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

1)Keep global pressure on every Turkish government until their own people have the freedom of thought and speech.And we have been accomplishing that.Just in the last decade a huge difference in public opinion in Turkey has occurred.

Gavur do you realy think, Turkish people will accept AG ? You are waiting much from us. Unlike other civilized countries, Turkish people will see harm from AG recognision. Also, Unlike other countries, Turkish people have their own ideas about what happened at ww1. Sure some of them is live but not everyone of them..

[Sako]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

Very soon they will have different "ideas" about what happened in WWI, don't worry.