Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks

[Davo88]

Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

Turkey PM threatens to expelle Armenians:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62G2GN20100317

Uncomfortable Truth:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article7066163.ece

It was unthinkable that this evil government would make such threats, but hey we're dealing with the same Turkey after all.

[Eddo211]

Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

I'd also be questioning the selective morality of some of the countries passing these resolutions. I'd be asking if they've reconciled the dark pages of their own history before passing judgments on others. I'd be questioning the methods, procedures and the qualifications of those government officials issuing their views as facts. I'd be questioning if there was any undue influence or duress of politicians seeking votes in those jurisdications. I'd be asking what they have done to redress or prevent modern attrocities from happening in their own lifetime instead of being preoccupied with historical events. I'd be wondering what they are actually doing to facilitate communication and knowledge about the events they are issuing symbolic statements against.

That is exactly what Turks say.

I'd be asking why Sweden doesn't offer to set up and pay for a school of comparative Genocide studies in a Turkish university instead of wasting valuable time and money on political grandstanding.

Probably because in the depths of their own heart, the're really only pretending to care. Sweden, just stick to making Ikea furniture and hot women (and yes Alexandros, I'm a male and not some hairy legged l.esbian).

This one I haven't heard yet.

[hipeter924]

Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

It's a flawed argument. Murderers get prosecuted, jailed and even the death penalty in some places but that never stops murders from happening again in the same places again. Tragically, the chances are there will be future genocides irrespective of what anybody says and does today.

The reason why murders still happen is because some people don't agree with another individuals or groups right to life, are generally violent; or have some kind of psychological issue that turns them to such actions. So what I suggested is that people should come to understand genocide is wrong (not simply someone else saying it's wrong) and have the capacity within themselves not to do genocide again, and admitting facts such as genocide and recognising on a political and intellectual level provides them a minimal incentive to this.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

If you are a turck you will be wondering why is it that the whole world recognizes this event yet we are still denying it?

Sweden Sweden Sweden Sweden Ikea Ikea hot women (I'm not gay I swear to you)

You were asked a valid question about Turkey, and responded by going on a tirade about Sweden. Typical Turkish mentality. When questioned about your own (your country's) actions, you will quickly deflect the issue and come up with excuses of why you think everyone else is crazy.

I'd be asking if they've reconciled the dark pages of their own history before passing judgments on others.

Exactly which part of their own history does Sweden deny?

I'd be questioning the methods, procedures and the qualifications of those government officials issuing their views as facts.

You even question the 99.99% of historians who say Turkey committed genocide, so why not question politicians? Question everyone but yourself, thats what you're good at.

I'd be questioning if there was any undue influence or duress of politicians seeking votes in those jurisdications.

A Turk complaining about undue duress is like a prostitute complaining about other people sleeping around.

I'd be asking why Sweden doesn't offer to set up and pay for a school of comparative Genocide studies in a Turkish university

LOL

Sweden would pay for your jokes before they pay money to a Turkish university to study genocide.

Probably because in the depths of their own heart, the're really only pretending to care.

Again, you love discussing what other people's motives might be, or what is really in their hearts. The sad thing is, you can't face up to whats in your own heart.

Sweden, just stick to making Ikea furniture and hot women (and yes Alexandros, I'm a male and not some hairy legged l.esbian).

You should stick to hiring Armenians to work and think for you. Afterall it worked for your ancestors.

[Haykakan]

Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

Not true. By definition, murder has intent and premeditation. This can be distinguised for manslaughter that lacks the intent, fitting closely with your description.

You can have intent and premeditation yet still it is rooted in emotion and passion. Most murders are crimes of passion thus the motive is not if i kill so n so then i will reap so n so rewards-its more like i hate sonsos gutts thus sonso must die. One can argue that the more planing involved = the less it is a crime of passion and more of cold calculation which is exactly what genocide is.

[Jos]

Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

Well your point may actually be flawed here and i will explain why. Murders, rape and many other terrible crimes are not as responcive to their respective punishments because they are mostly crimes of passion with emotional components and some with mental disorder components. People commiting most of these crimes are acting out without thinking of the consequences untill after the deed is done. This is very different then the planned, methodical, calculating process of state sponsered racial cleansing/genocide. In the latter situation the planner will take into consideration the consequances of his actions thus he is very much deterred by strong detterents while the former is simply reacting and does not even make such considerations. In conclusion, we really can make a big difference in genocide prevention by making and enforcing strict laws against it.

Not true. By definition, murder has intent and premeditation. This can be distinguised for manslaughter that lacks the intent, fitting closely with your description.

[Jos]

Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

Jos, there will never be true peace between Armenians and turks if the latter do not own up to the dark pages of their recent history. That is the jist of it.

Armenia's are interested in peace to the point that it provides capitulation by the Turkish side. The reverse argument also holds true.

[Haykakan]

Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

It's a flawed argument. Murderers get prosecuted, jailed and even the death penalty in some places but that never stops murders from happening again in the same places again. Tragically, the chances are there will be future genocides irrespective of what anybody says and does today.

Well your point may actually be flawed here and i will explain why. Murders, rape and many other terrible crimes are not as responcive to their respective punishments because they are mostly crimes of passion with emotional components and some with mental disorder components. People commiting most of these crimes are acting out without thinking of the consequences untill after the deed is done. This is very different then the planned, methodical, calculating process of state sponsered racial cleansing/genocide. In the latter situation the planner will take into consideration the consequances of his actions thus he is very much deterred by strong detterents while the former is simply reacting and does not even make such considerations. In conclusion, we really can make a big difference in genocide prevention by making and enforcing strict laws against it.

[Armanen]

Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

Jos, there will never be true peace between Armenians and turks if the latter do not own up to the dark pages of their recent history. That is the jist of it.

[Jos]

Re: Sweden`s Parliament Recognizes The Genocide Against The Armenians, Assyrians, Gre

I think you misunderstood the point, which was that if we recognised the Armenian Genocide, Darfur and all these genocides; and came to understand they were immoral and should never happen again, then they would not happen again or at the very least there would be intervention to stop them.

It's a flawed argument. Murderers get prosecuted, jailed and even the death penalty in some places but that never stops murders from happening again in the same places again. Tragically, the chances are there will be future genocides irrespective of what anybody says and does today.