Vive La France !!!!!

[Eddo211]

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Take a look at this low pass by a French Mirage.

I have seen it before......I consider this reckless flying.

[Artashes]

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[QUOTE=bell-the-cat;327671]Once again Armenians everywhere show their contempt for the fundamental rights and freedoms of others by assuming that they have some god-given right to usurp those rights and freedoms if they think it benefits their narrow, short-term, self-interests. (And the law isn't even going to contribute to those narrow, short-term self interests.)[/QUOTE Your comments regarding my post giving the definition of (freedom)and(licence)does address not address the point I made concerning the (difference) between freedom and licence.Nor have you given an honest critical intellectual examination of the primary point (difference between freedom and licence.) Neither have you given an honest intellectual examination of the validity that one cannot justly exchange licence for freedom. To use licence in the stead of freedom is fraudulent, to use licence in the stead of truth is a perversion.Neither have a place at an honest table.To take the licence to describe the truly heartless atrocities that have been (and are being)perpetrated upon my family as anything less than genocide is presenting an inaccurate description of the truth.Further more ,your taking the first two words of my comment(once again)while not examining in an honest ,critical manner my primary point shows that your pointing to
Y comment has no merit or relationship to my comment on the difference between freedom andicence. Furthermore,your reference to (Armenians everywhere!)has no intellectual integrity or merit.Furthermore,when you say (all)Armenians(everywhere)show their contemt for the fundamental rights and freedoms of others is to stigmatize the entire Armenian peoples.(yeah,that's right,all Armenians have contemt for everyone else's fundamental rights!And you want somebody,anybody to give you the credit of an honest intellect for saying such stupid things? On a different note--thank you for saving me
much time finding the name of the English linguist As Ever Artashes

[Davo88]

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French Senators lack votes to protest Genocide bill

January 26, 2012 - 14:19 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - French Senators have only 48 hours left to protest the bill penalizing Armenian Genocide denial at Constitutional Court.

By now, the number of French MPs protesting the bill has reached 35, with Turkish-French friendship group chair, the Union for a Popular Movement (UPM) member Michel Diefenbacher, other UPM members and some oppositional Socialists among the malcontent.

With 60 parliamentarians necessary to appeal to the Constitutional Court, experts are skeptical the necessary number of supporters will be reached.

On January 23, the French Senate passed the bill criminalizing the Armenian Genocide denial with 127 votes for and 86 against. To be signed into law within 14 days, the bill will impose a 45,000 euro fine and a year in prison for anyone in France who denies this crime against humanity committed by the Ottoman Empire.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/89957/

[Mos]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

French Senators lack votes to protest Genocide bill

January 26, 2012 - 14:19 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - French Senators have only 48 hours left to protest the bill penalizing Armenian Genocide denial at Constitutional Court.

By now, the number of French MPs protesting the bill has reached 35, with Turkish-French friendship group chair, the Union for a Popular Movement (UPM) member Michel Diefenbacher, other UPM members and some oppositional Socialists among the malcontent.

With 60 parliamentarians necessary to appeal to the Constitutional Court, experts are skeptical the necessary number of supporters will be reached.

On January 23, the French Senate passed the bill criminalizing the Armenian Genocide denial with 127 votes for and 86 against. To be signed into law within 14 days, the bill will impose a 45,000 euro fine and a year in prison for anyone in France who denies this crime against humanity committed by the Ottoman Empire.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/89957/

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It's a waiting game!

[Mos]

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I really don't understand all the celebration and anger. How about we let the law be officially signed until celebrating?? Who knows what might happen.

[hrai]

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I really don't understand all the celebration and anger. How about we let the law be officially signed until celebrating?? Who knows what might happen.

This law, when eventually passed by Sarkozy, is important as a stand against all genocides, past,present and future.

If it fails, the impact already is such that the Armenian Genocide has been on most news channels worldwide and so has the hysterical turc response. Consider how that affects world opinion.

[Sip]

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It's not a stand against genocides ... it is a stand against "saying you didn't do genocide when you did" lol

[Mher]

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Turkey Moves to Deport Armenian Workers after French Vote

BY NANORE BARSOUMIAN
From The Armenian Weekly

ISTANBUL–Turkey is set to amend a law that aims to rid the country of illegal workers. Many view this move as retaliation against Armenians, in light of the new bill criminalizing Armenian Genocide denial in France.

Different estimates in Turkey put the number of Armenian citizens in the country at as low as 10,000 and as high as 100,000. Many of them are women, and they are employed in low-skill jobs.

“This country, which Mark Levene called ‘the Genocide zone,’ throughout its history has made it a habit to deport, expel, and relocate innocent people as retaliation and punishment for things they did not do, or have no connection to at all,” human rights advocate Ayse Gunaysu told the Armenian Weekly Editor Khatchig Mouradian.

The amendment to Law No. 5683 on Residence and Travel of Foreign Subjects will be ratified on Feb. 1. In the past, people from the region migrated to Turkey on tourist visas, finding employment and becoming illegal workers. After a few months, they would leave and reenter the country on a new tourist visa (a process called “visa runs”). The workers hailed mostly from countries such as Georgia, Azerbaijan, the Ukraine, Indonesia, and Armenia. The new system will force migrants to stay out of the country for 90 days between two entries. Authorities are set to strictly enforce the new law, penalizing visa overstays and runs.

However, the amendment allows for employees who wish to keep their workers to pay a salary of TL 1,330 ($744), and an insurance premium, reported Bianet.org. The minimum wage in Turkey is TL 701 ($392), and it is unlikely that an unskilled worker will make significantly more than that.

Back in March 2010, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayip Erdogan hinted at retaliation against Armenian migrant workers if Genocide resolutions were passed in foreign parliaments. In a discussion about Genocide resolutions in the U.S. and Sweden, he told the BBC’s Turkish Service that of the 170,000 Armenians living in Turkey, only 70,000 are Turkish citizens. “We are turning a blind eye to the remaining 100,000… Tomorrow, I may tell these 100,000 to go back to their country, if it becomes necessary.”

It appears the French bill was the last straw for Erdogan’s government. On Jan. 25, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters that “Turkey’s response to the adoption of the bill had long been decided.”

President of the Migrants’ Association for Social Cooperation and Culture Sefika Gurbuz called the law a “threat to Armenians,” reported Bianet.

Meanwhile, Gunaysu characterized Turkey’s response a “black comedy.” “The ongoing blackmail and threats against France is itself proof of guilt as well as a manifestation of lack of dignity and self-respect, despite—of course—pathetic demonstrations of national pride,” said Gunaysu.

Gunaysu, who is a member of the Committee Against Racism and Discrimination of the Human Rights Association of Turkey, pointed out the country’s history of deporting innocents peoples. In 1915 the Young Turk regime began its systemic deportations of Armenians as a main tool to rid the Eastern provinces of a native population. “They still tell lies that it was because treacherous Armenians, whereas hundreds of thousands of Armenians were not engaged in any political activity whatsoever,” said Gunaysu. Then it was the turn of Turkey’s Kurdish and Greek populations. “The republican period is full of Kurdish deportations, especially in 1938 during and after the Dersim massacres,” she said. “In 1964, the Turkish government expelled 40,000 Anatolian Greeks, forbidding them to bring along any personal belongings over 20 kg and $20, as a retaliation against Greece in connection with the Cyprus issue—a deportation which is still terribly painful in the memories of these people.”

Gunaysu added, “The mindset from which this policy of retaliation originates is racist, inhuman, and brutal. The rulers of Turkey have once more proven that [the government] still follows the same path as that of their predecessors back in 1915 and all along the history of the Republic.”

http://asbarez.com/100526/turkey-moves-to-deport-armenian-workers-after-french-vote/

[Mos]

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Those Armenians are traitors for going to Turkey in the first place. Having 100,000 Armenians come back will be good for our demographics also.

[Artashes]

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Inhuman and brutal with the word (inhuman) as the primary modifier is correct.To treat pond scum as anything other than pond scum is a grave mistake .Hence all the graves./Artashes