Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

[Davo88]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Armenia is already in a fairly disadvantageous position when we talk about regional projects because of its isolation. Despite this, Armenia in general fares better than the Georgia, Azerbaijan and Ukraine (human development index). What more would the powers do, then?

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Yes, but in reality, Turkey is not interested in aligning itself with Russia as much as it is interested in aligning with the EU and the US. The expanding influence of Russia in the area is contrary to the latter 2s interests and would surely be to a lesser degree.

Nobody would have said that Sargsyan is a traitor because he is forcing the powers to act against Armenia by not signing, he would have been hailed positively. If Sargsyan had not signed, he would have justified it by saying that the cause is the popular opposition to the protocols in Armenia and the diaspora and the powers wouldn't have been able to do anything.

What on earth brings you to the conclusion that the strongest world powers would not be able to do anything if Serj defies them? Do you really think this or are you just typing stuff cause you got nothin better to do? Turckey will side itself with whoever it thinks will benefit it the most at the time. It does compete with russia over the caucuses but it also has its share of problems with the eu, usa and isreal.

[Davo88]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Yes, but in reality, Turkey is not interested in aligning itself with Russia as much as it is interested in aligning with the EU and the US. The expanding influence of Russia in the area is contrary to the latter 2s interests and would surely be to a lesser degree.

Nobody would have said that Sargsyan is a traitor because he is forcing the powers to act against Armenia by not signing, he would have been hailed positively. If Sargsyan had not signed, he would have justified it by saying that the cause is the popular opposition to the protocols in Armenia and the diaspora and the powers wouldn't have been able to do anything.

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Davo, by having the pipes amd other routes go through Armenia, Russia can control turckey and Azerbadjian it is not hard to see this. All sides have much to gain here in the long term, that is why this is being done. One can easily make the argument that had they not signed then they would be trators because that would be forcing the powers to take action against Armenia. Gavur nowhere in my posts do i claim what you say, your just making xxxx up, as for preaching it sounds to me like your doing a lot more of it then me. Iond who said i dont use algebra? The teaching job is a part time gig for me, you know nothing about me except the fact that i destroy the arguments that the armenian government is treasonous and that it is destroying Armenia by signing these protocals. Some of you are so full of hate you refuse to see any other posibility besides the one in your fantacies. It is important to have a open but rational mind especialy in regards to national affairs, making decisions based on emotions is unaffordable for even the strongest of nations let alone our Armenia. I think like this or like that because my aunt , mom, party official tells me to is hardly a excuse for reaching the wrong conclusions, you have a head on your shoulders for a reason, might as well use it instead of copying and pasting xxxx all day.

[Davo88]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Instead of preaching to us morning, noon and night why don't you?
Don't fricking tell me you have to live in Eastern Armenia to know right from wrong you hypocrite.

lol well said

Who wants the Russians out of Armenia anyway? What Russia has to do is reject its newly found pro-Turkish stance of recent years because in the long term, Russia will not gain from a strong Turkey despite the fact that it is involved in the construction of certain pipelines. We want to see the Russia of old.

Anyway, despite all the pressure on Sargsyan and Nalbandian, they could have chosen not to sign. Don't tell me that they had no choice, it is Nalbandian's own hand after all. That's why they are considered traitors.

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

You guys are terrible at debating. You cannot support your arguments rationaly thus you devolve into insults and emotional appeals. Grow up you guys, this is just silly. If my arguments are so silly and wrong then why dont you prove me wrong instead of reacting this way?

[londontsi]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Im no mathmatition but i do teach Algebra.

I knew you were not smart, now you confirmed it.

If you were smart you would be using algebra not teaching it.

[hipeter924]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

I repeat justly that in New York City the people of New York call her the B.I.T.C.H. and rightfully so as she the notorious woman witch was the Governor of New York. If anyone, the New Yorkers know her character at best.

Let her get her new name: Hillary Talaat Clinton

[Gavur]

ՈՉ - Petition

http://www.votch.org/index.php?optio...mid=53&lang=en



ՈՉ - Petition
(3684 signataires)


THE VITAL INTERESTS OF THE ARMENIAN PEOPLE REQUIRE
THE REJECTION OF THE PROTOCOLS BETWEEN ARMENIA AND TURKEY



On August 31, the governments of the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Turkey, under the auspices of Switzerland, agreed to submit for internal political consultations a “protocol on the establishment of diplomatic relations” and a “protocol on the development of bilateral relations,” followed by their signature and ratification.

These protocols affect the future of the Armenian people as a whole, including that of the Diaspora. This Diaspora not being represented as such, neither by the representatives of the Republic of Armenia nor by those of the States of which its members are citizens, our duty commands us imperatively to react by means of this petition, which is open to the signatures of all who uphold human dignity.

We take exception in advance to any initiative that would attempt to interpret this reaction as one directed against the Republic of Armenia, specifying that, quite to the contrary, it seeks to defend the vital interests and fundamental rights of the Armenian people.

Under these conditions, the signers of this petition,



Recalling that the conception they have of Armenia exceeds that which is limited to the Republic of Armenia and its territory,


Subsequently recalling that the authorities of the Republic of Armenia are not authorized to decide all questions that concern the entire Armenian people, notably that of the Genocide of 1915, of which heritage the Diaspora remains a depository,


Recalling that to submit such a unique experience as genocide to negotiations and a judgment by governmental commissions or sub-commissions would subordinate the truth to political maneuvers and power relations,


Reaffirming the universal consensus that has arisen from the experience of the Genocide of the xxxs, a consensus that condemns denialist undertakings and stipulates that a genocide cannot be legitimately studied except by those who have already recognized it,


Considering therefore that, by the signing of these protocols, Armenia marginalizes the Diaspora, and enters into the strategy of the Turkish State to divide the Armenian people and to stigmatize and delegitimize the Diaspora for advocating the consciousness of the Genocide,


Considering that this signing was imposed by those who would like to see the Armenian State build itself up by disowning a part of the Armenian people,


Consequently reject these protocols as an effort of the Turkish State to impose on the economically vulnerable Republic of Armenia its distorted vision of history from which the Republic of Turkey was formed and which is consubstantial with it,


Call upon the Diaspora to reaffirm and strengthen its identity as holder of the memory of the Genocide of the Armenians by means of a project developed independently in critical dialogue with the authorities of the Republic of Armenia,


Call upon all those who uphold human dignity to express their rejection of these agreements which endanger the integrity of the Armenian people.

[Gavur]

Armenia; Turkey Sign Protocols

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2x_1cTTP9k&feature=quicklist:evil: