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It has come to my attention lately that I think ppl in general do not really have a good idea b/w the differences of Hip Hop and (C)rap. So in an effort to enlighten a few ppl about the differences I decided to make this thread. Also you could post your favorite hip hop OR rap lyrics, with all profanity removed of course, which illustrates your feelings on a particular topic. I'll probably get zero responses here but that's ok it's here just in case you feel the need to express yourself through someone else’s lyrics! 
Just to start off Hip Hop is the fun and conscious mother to Rap music which is really just a tributary of the river Hip Hop. Rap as a tributary just takes, imo, the worst aspects of the Hip Hop culture and magnifies it to the point that all you see/hear about are the negative aspects. Like: killing; adoration of weapons; relegating female worth through negative rhetoric; supporting ignorance through the support of inferior education; glorifying drug usage and the sale of drugs to the point that every kid listening to this garbage wants to cook up a rock of crack and start "slangin" for a job; finally rap totally supports materialism above everything else said above with diamonds being the "ice" every aspiring criminal would like to own.
So what is Hip Hop? Well it can be all of that unfortunately as it is the root of Rap but the true purveyors of Hip Hop don't even mention the above topics and activities unless it's to illustrate a point of how wack Rap has become. Hip Hop culture has been defined as elemental ... MC'ing (MC = Master of Ceremony) Dj'ing and turntablism (turntablism is the art of making musical compositions from scratches ... full circle for Russo's Art of Noise Manifesto), graffiti (the good "burns" are the ones worth mentioning), and break dancing.
At the base of this thread would be Hip Hop supports "positivity" and Rap (read everything on urban radio) does the exact opposite ... anyhow I'll follow up this post with some more differences but right now I would like to share one of my favorite songs that although is not inherently positive it is neither negative in a Rap sense either. The song is Patriotism by Company Flow and it was originally released on Sound Bombing vol. 2 (Bombing = graffiti) on the Rawkus label. It is basically criticisms of America and our heinous federal government and huge corporations. I've been feeling sort of hateful towards the Fed as of late so that's why I am starting off with this song ... notice how much more complicated the rhyme structure is compared to what you hear on the radio. Also notice how profanity is used to a much lesser degree than in Rap lyrics in general.
__________________________________________________ _______________
Do you know who you are..
Do you know who you are _______ with?
Do you know, the access, to weapons, money and power
that we have? We will _______ kill you!
I'm the ugliest version of passed down toxic capitalist
rapid emcee perversion -- I'm America!
Your bleeding-heart liberal drivel gets squashed
Wash em with sterilized rhyme patriot-guided weaponry bomb
from the makers of the devious hearts -- I'm America!
You ______ little tarts don't even phase my basic policy
(Edit didn't know that was considered a cuss word!)
My bomb's smarter, my Ronald Reagan's crush Carter
With Bay of Pig tactics turnin young men into martyrs
(Come on down!)
Come to my happy promised land smiley faced opportunity cypher
and jump on the CoFlow pension plan
A proletariat, crushing State of the Union
between serpentine words and mass confusion
of media controlled blurb advertising disillusionment
Your family will love my low-rent, low-life
no-brain, reality-dagger, MOVEMENT
Hop over the border for amusement; try to test the waters
that the other slaughter crews pay all they dues in
You're up against -- Jesus Freaks, formin' corporations in Young Republicans
Indelible NATO force hidden agenda, puppet governments
I'm lovin it! Keep the people guessin who I'm runnin with
Control the population and hide behind sacred covenants
_______ with me?!?! Means liberal wildlife burnin, gasoline seized
and an automagnetic third world printed with metal plates in their knees
Can't you hear the disenchanted, hide the scream of
Gabriel's reflected new wind instrument, a judgment played in flat C
I replace humans like robots in a GM factory (warning! warning!)
Then export metaphors to sweat shops, cause the price is satisfactory
Your pious little cries of injustice get met with apathy
(Awww, SHUT UP!!) Soak, cloak, hormone injected dairy product
and conservative right-wing anti-eroticism;
the poisonous resevoirs and power lines in your neighborhood cause botchilism
SENSELESS! Join the census, censorship sentences sentence
Triple-felon citizen paid pennance!
Dissension against C-F ends in, penetentiary residence
Lock em up first, then ask questions
Omniscient presence, my CHARM is the weapon
with cameras mics and satellites that leave privacy breathless
You don't even know the chemicals you've ingested
Urine tested -- BEAT INNOCENT MAN 'TIL HE CONFESSES
"Who's America? Who's America? Who's America? Who's America?"
"Who's America? Who's America? Who's America? Who's America?"
I'm America! I'm America! I'm America! Mr. Len, get busy on em!
{*DJ Mr. Len the Space Ghost cuts up "God ____!!"*}
I'm America arrogant!! Terminus verbal curfew murders
You either purchase my products or you're worthless, that's my service!
Don't look into the oculars of a daylight saver
Eraser, city-headed momument defacer
comprising of patriot droids, sent into the void with lead linings
Employed by the bureaucrats of automatic twisted rhyme timing
You're guaranteed nothing but my fat little finger
that lingers one inch off of the big button -- LET'S START THIS!
I'm Saran gas, hide in your apartments
I'm stealth like a robot hidden in the fat _______ of Cartman
And give a crippling ____ like sand sharkskin condom
to your apparent _______ problem - the hottest ____ on Soundbombing
I'm American til infinite justice measure to Pesticide Cemetary
Invite you to cross the border then ____ on your divinities
What language is that? I'm angusih in fact, tangle with a
star-spangled standard issue gat for crowd management
Talk loud and get enshrouded in a hot cloud of harassment
by the crowd force of my mental pedestrian checker,
that smashes subordinate skulls and update the file in your dental records
You tryin to get a light but yet the crowd is my paid hecklers (BOO! BOO!)
You just stepped into the spectrum of paranoid word rainbows
Thinkin you sick with a sihlouette, burn transit cop out his plain clothes
I'm America!! This is where the pain grows like poppies
in a Field of Dreams I paid for, I'll burn it down if operated sloppily
COPY? My economic sanction rhyme style got your syllables
scraping for rice and riding in a pre-1960 jalopy
My favorite flavour of gas is mustard
I'm _______ a blind hermaphrodite icon and convincin you that it's justice!
"Who's America? Who's America? Who's America? Who's America?"
{*DJ Mr. Len the Space Ghost cuts up "God ____!!"*}
Treason will not be tolerated!
You have been enlisted.. into a lifestyle that you may not change!
Understand! You can't be happy.. and smile.. for the cameras!
____________!
__________________________________________________ _______________
I'll take this to a journal if that seems to be a better idea. Just that there aren't that many threads in the music topic so why not leave it? After all this thread ultimately deals with music
12 uses of profanity in all ... till next time!
Just to start off Hip Hop is the fun and conscious mother to Rap music which is really just a tributary of the river Hip Hop. Rap as a tributary just takes, imo, the worst aspects of the Hip Hop culture and magnifies it to the point that all you see/hear about are the negative aspects. Like: killing; adoration of weapons; relegating female worth through negative rhetoric; supporting ignorance through the support of inferior education; glorifying drug usage and the sale of drugs to the point that every kid listening to this garbage wants to cook up a rock of crack and start "slangin" for a job; finally rap totally supports materialism above everything else said above with diamonds being the "ice" every aspiring criminal would like to own.
So what is Hip Hop? Well it can be all of that unfortunately as it is the root of Rap but the true purveyors of Hip Hop don't even mention the above topics and activities unless it's to illustrate a point of how wack Rap has become. Hip Hop culture has been defined as elemental ... MC'ing (MC = Master of Ceremony) Dj'ing and turntablism (turntablism is the art of making musical compositions from scratches ... full circle for Russo's Art of Noise Manifesto), graffiti (the good "burns" are the ones worth mentioning), and break dancing.
At the base of this thread would be Hip Hop supports "positivity" and Rap (read everything on urban radio) does the exact opposite ... anyhow I'll follow up this post with some more differences but right now I would like to share one of my favorite songs that although is not inherently positive it is neither negative in a Rap sense either. The song is Patriotism by Company Flow and it was originally released on Sound Bombing vol. 2 (Bombing = graffiti) on the Rawkus label. It is basically criticisms of America and our heinous federal government and huge corporations. I've been feeling sort of hateful towards the Fed as of late so that's why I am starting off with this song ... notice how much more complicated the rhyme structure is compared to what you hear on the radio. Also notice how profanity is used to a much lesser degree than in Rap lyrics in general.
__________________________________________________ _______________
Do you know who you are..
Do you know who you are _______ with?
Do you know, the access, to weapons, money and power
that we have? We will _______ kill you!
I'm the ugliest version of passed down toxic capitalist
rapid emcee perversion -- I'm America!
Your bleeding-heart liberal drivel gets squashed
Wash em with sterilized rhyme patriot-guided weaponry bomb
from the makers of the devious hearts -- I'm America!
You ______ little tarts don't even phase my basic policy
(Edit didn't know that was considered a cuss word!)
My bomb's smarter, my Ronald Reagan's crush Carter
With Bay of Pig tactics turnin young men into martyrs
(Come on down!)
Come to my happy promised land smiley faced opportunity cypher
and jump on the CoFlow pension plan
A proletariat, crushing State of the Union
between serpentine words and mass confusion
of media controlled blurb advertising disillusionment
Your family will love my low-rent, low-life
no-brain, reality-dagger, MOVEMENT
Hop over the border for amusement; try to test the waters
that the other slaughter crews pay all they dues in
You're up against -- Jesus Freaks, formin' corporations in Young Republicans
Indelible NATO force hidden agenda, puppet governments
I'm lovin it! Keep the people guessin who I'm runnin with
Control the population and hide behind sacred covenants
_______ with me?!?! Means liberal wildlife burnin, gasoline seized
and an automagnetic third world printed with metal plates in their knees
Can't you hear the disenchanted, hide the scream of
Gabriel's reflected new wind instrument, a judgment played in flat C
I replace humans like robots in a GM factory (warning! warning!)
Then export metaphors to sweat shops, cause the price is satisfactory
Your pious little cries of injustice get met with apathy
(Awww, SHUT UP!!) Soak, cloak, hormone injected dairy product
and conservative right-wing anti-eroticism;
the poisonous resevoirs and power lines in your neighborhood cause botchilism
SENSELESS! Join the census, censorship sentences sentence
Triple-felon citizen paid pennance!
Dissension against C-F ends in, penetentiary residence
Lock em up first, then ask questions
Omniscient presence, my CHARM is the weapon
with cameras mics and satellites that leave privacy breathless
You don't even know the chemicals you've ingested
Urine tested -- BEAT INNOCENT MAN 'TIL HE CONFESSES
"Who's America? Who's America? Who's America? Who's America?"
"Who's America? Who's America? Who's America? Who's America?"
I'm America! I'm America! I'm America! Mr. Len, get busy on em!
{*DJ Mr. Len the Space Ghost cuts up "God ____!!"*}
I'm America arrogant!! Terminus verbal curfew murders
You either purchase my products or you're worthless, that's my service!
Don't look into the oculars of a daylight saver
Eraser, city-headed momument defacer
comprising of patriot droids, sent into the void with lead linings
Employed by the bureaucrats of automatic twisted rhyme timing
You're guaranteed nothing but my fat little finger
that lingers one inch off of the big button -- LET'S START THIS!
I'm Saran gas, hide in your apartments
I'm stealth like a robot hidden in the fat _______ of Cartman
And give a crippling ____ like sand sharkskin condom
to your apparent _______ problem - the hottest ____ on Soundbombing
I'm American til infinite justice measure to Pesticide Cemetary
Invite you to cross the border then ____ on your divinities
What language is that? I'm angusih in fact, tangle with a
star-spangled standard issue gat for crowd management
Talk loud and get enshrouded in a hot cloud of harassment
by the crowd force of my mental pedestrian checker,
that smashes subordinate skulls and update the file in your dental records
You tryin to get a light but yet the crowd is my paid hecklers (BOO! BOO!)
You just stepped into the spectrum of paranoid word rainbows
Thinkin you sick with a sihlouette, burn transit cop out his plain clothes
I'm America!! This is where the pain grows like poppies
in a Field of Dreams I paid for, I'll burn it down if operated sloppily
COPY? My economic sanction rhyme style got your syllables
scraping for rice and riding in a pre-1960 jalopy
My favorite flavour of gas is mustard
I'm _______ a blind hermaphrodite icon and convincin you that it's justice!
"Who's America? Who's America? Who's America? Who's America?"
{*DJ Mr. Len the Space Ghost cuts up "God ____!!"*}
Treason will not be tolerated!
You have been enlisted.. into a lifestyle that you may not change!
Understand! You can't be happy.. and smile.. for the cameras!
____________!
__________________________________________________ _______________
I'll take this to a journal if that seems to be a better idea. Just that there aren't that many threads in the music topic so why not leave it? After all this thread ultimately deals with music
12 uses of profanity in all ... till next time!
) then please feel free to reply otherwise run along with your tail b/w your legs. Way to take a potential network contact and totally ruin it ... bridge burning must be a hobby of yours. 
Some artists do a respectable job with their patterns of speech, "rhyme time", and general rhetoric. Having said that a whole bunch fall way down on the "way side", no pun intended. Seriously there is like a ton of horrible MCs/Rappers whatever, they suck. Still not every person in Rock music is worth listening to and that sentiment carries over to every style of music.
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