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  • Federate
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    Armenia ‘Unaffected’ By Georgia Crisis


    Contradicting statements by Armenian diplomats and cargo firms, Transport and Communications Minister Gurgen Sargsian insisted on Tuesday that the Russian-Georgian military conflict has not disrupted Armenia’s main supply lines running across Georgia.

    The assurances came amid growing signs of fuel shortages in the country. Some gasoline stations in Yerevan restricted sales of petrol, while others shut altogether. Fuel was reportedly in even shorter supply outside the capital.

    Sargsian attributed this to an emerging “panic” among motorists who he said do not expect a quick end to the fighting in Georgia and are therefore anxious to stock up with fuel. “There are no grounds for panic,” he said. “We have sufficient stocks of fuel, and fuel imports are continuing. We have no rail cars filled fuel which have not reached Armenia.”

    Fuel and the vast majority of other commodities reach the country via the Georgian Black Sea ports of Batumi and Poti. Russian warplanes have bombed Poti and other civilian and military targets across Georgia in recent days. According to some media reports, the air strikes disrupted Georgia’s rail-ferry services with Russia and Ukraine that process most of the goods shipped to and from Armenia.

    Sargsian claimed, however, that both the ports and the ferry links have remained operational since last Friday’s outbreak of vicious fighting in South Ossetia that spilled over into Georgia proper. “We have no information about any problems,” he told a news conference. “Everything is normal. Georgian roads are not dangerous, and the railway [leading to Armenia] is absolutely safe.”

    According to Sargsian, 60 rail cars laden with wheat and other basic goods rolled into Armenia overnight and 18 others are on the way. “Cargo shipments by rail are being carried out as planned,” the minister said. “The railway did not stop for a single minute. It has continued to operate, carrying both people and cargos.”

    However, Armenia’s ambassador to Georgia, Hrach Silvanian, painted a different picture. “As a result of the bomb raids, there have arisen difficulties in the work of the port of Poti, which have reflected negatively on cargo shipments,” he said in written answers to questions from RFE/RL.

    Silvanian also reported “certain disruptions” in Batumi partly related to concerns about the safety of freight transportation. The Armenian embassy in Tbilisi is taking “all possible steps to overcome the mentioned obstacles,” he said.

    Gagik Aghajanian, executive director of the cargo firm Apaven, said the Poti port has stood idle “for three or four days,” resulting in a backlog of 250 cargo containers bound for Armenia. “Normally Armenia receives 55-60 containers a day,” he explained.

    That Russia’s military operations in Georgia have seriously complicated Armenia’s transport communication with the rest of the world was also asserted by the country’s largest fuel importer, Flash. “There were disruptions in our supplies for the past four or five days as no cargos were transported from Georgia,” Mushegh Elchian, the company’s deputy director, told RFE/RL.

    But Elchian said the situation seems to be improving now. “We received ten rail cars of petrol overnight, while other companies imported large quantities of diesel fuel. But still we have a fairly large volume of fuel stocked in the Batumi terminal.”

    Elchian blamed the difficulties for his company’s extraordinary decision to introduce petrol rationing. He said Flash’s filling stations across Armenia were instructed on Monday to pump petrol only into car tanks and rebuff motorists with fuel canisters.

    From http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeni...FD7FE4B53D.ASP

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  • Federate
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    Here is the official rebuke to Azerbaboon and Georgian claims that Russia used Armenia as a launchpad.

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    Armenia Rules Out Support For Russian Strikes On Georgia


    Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian assured a senior Georgian diplomat on Tuesday Russia did not and will not use Armenian territory for its ongoing military operations in Georgia condemned by the West.

    Armenia maintains close defense links with Russia and hosts a Russian military base numbering several thousand soldiers and a dozen MiG-29 fighter jets.

    The Defense Ministry in Yerevan flatly denied late last week Azerbaijani and Georgian media claims that some of the Russian warplanes involved in bomb raids on Georgia flew in from Armenian military airfields. A ministry spokesman rejected the allegations as an Azerbaijani “provocation” designed to damage Georgian-Armenian relations. He argued that the Russian military is not using MiG-29s in the air strikes.

    Georgia’s ambassador to Armenia, Revaz Gachechiladze, commented the allegations, not echoed by the Georgian government, at a meeting with Ohanian. A statement by the Defense Ministry quoted Gachechiladze as stating that the Russian military aircraft stationed in Armenia has not been involved in the Russian onslaught.

    “For his part, S. Ohanian assured the ambassador that Armenia’s territory will not be used as a military launch pad for hostilities against Georgia, expressing hope that ways will be found to normalize the situation in Georgia,” the statement said. Ohanian also offered his sympathy for “innocent victims” of the nearly week-long fighting, it added.

    The statement claimed that Gachechiladze requested the meeting in order to introduce Georgia’s new military attaché in Yerevan, Colonel Murtaz Gujejiani, to the Armenian defense chief.

    Armenia is treading carefully on the Russian-Georgian conflict, mindful of the two countries’ importance for its national security. The Armenian Foreign Ministry expressed on Friday serious concern about the outbreak of fighting in South Ossetia but avoided blaming any of the parties for the worst regional crisis since the early 1990s. Official Yerevan has so far not reacted on Russian forces’ subsequent advance deep into Georgian territory, which has been condemned by the United States and other Western powers.

    The Armenian government also refuted on Tuesday other media reports saying that it allowed a planeload of U.S. military instructors bound for Georgia to land in Yerevan’s Zvartnots international airport. Deputy Foreign Minister Gegham Gharibjanian said special flights to Zvartnots have been carried out only by planes that were sent by some European governments to collect their citizens evacuated from Georgia.

    From http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeni...A153867578.ASP

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  • RSNATION
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    Georgians ousted from Abkhazia entirely.

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  • RSNATION
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    Basically, if Saakashvilli does not agree {and he might not} the Russians are going in for the kill



    Russia: Georgia must accept non-use of force deal
    Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:14pm EDT
    By Oleg Shchedrov

    MOSCOW, Aug 12 (Reuters) - Moscow will agree to peace with Georgia if it removes its troops far beyond the borders of South Ossetia and signs a legally binding promise not to attack it, Russia's foreign minister said on Tuesday.

    Kremlin leader Dmitry Medvedev and French President Nicolas Sarkozy -- in Moscow to mediate -- agreed on principles aimed at putting a stop to five days of conflict over Georgia's tiny separatist province.

    They included a ceasefire, a pledge to renounce force, free passage for humanitarian aid and the withdrawal of troops to their bases. The need to determine the future status of South Ossetia, which seeks full independence, was also mentioned.

    "These principles either reflect Russia's demands to the Georgian leadership or its intentions concerning the pace and aims of its peacekeeping operation in South Ossetia," Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters after they were announced.

    Lavrov made it clear that Moscow sought tough terms -- the non-use of force and a troop pullout were core demands, he said.

    Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili's pledge not to attack the province, made after talks with the French and Finnish foreign ministers in Tbilisi on Monday, was not enough, Lavrov added.

    "So far this has only been fixed in an informal political form," he said. "It requires the signing of a legally binding treaty on the non-use of force. This is a key point."

    Georgian troops, which pushed into South Ossetia to restore Tbilisi's control after 16 years of self-proclaimed independence, should leave the border zone, he added.

    "This is an absolutely binding condition that the Georgian side is to pull back its forces not only from South Ossetia, but also from other areas of Georgia from which they can shell and bomb the region," Lavrov said.

    Lavrov was confident that Sarkozy, who flew to Tbilisi in the evening, would persuade Saakashvili to back the plan.

    But he said Russia, which ordered its troops in the province to halt fire on Tuesday, was ready to be firm.

    When asked what would happen if Georgia failed to back the plan, Lavrov said: "We will be forced to take other measures to prevent any repetition of the situation that emerged because of the outrageous Georgian aggression." (Editing by Meg Clothier)

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  • RSNATION
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    A very astute analysis: It's time for Russia to exact a heavy deal with the EU and the US. They are in the position to bargain for anything they want.

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  • Federate
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    Western propoganda exposed

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    CNN blamed for using misleading war video

    American broadcaster CNN has been accused of using the wrong pictures in their coverage of the conflict in South Ossetia. A Russian cameraman says footage of wrecked tanks and ruined buildings, which was purported to have been filmed in the town of Gori, in fact showed the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali.

    Gori was said to be about to fall under the control of the Russian army but the cameraman says the video was actually shot in Tskhinvali, which had been flattened by Georgian shelling.

    Aleksandr Zhukov, from the Russiya Al-Yaum channel, said: “When we arrived and news came that Gori was being shelled, I saw my footage. I said: that’s not Gori! That’s Tskhinvali. Having crawled through the length and breadth of Tskhinvali, I don’t need much to tell from which point this or that footage was recorded. I can swear in front of any tribunal. I can point at this location on the map of the town, because I and the cameraman of the Rossiya channel videotaped that.”

    From http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28880

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  • Federate
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    Here are some interesting events that happened today in the war:

    07:32 GMT Russian special services arrest a senior Georgian foreign intelligence officer. It says he was gathering intelligence on Russia’s military in the North Caucasus and following the movements of the South Ossetian president Eduard Kokoity. According to the FSB he is the deputy director of the Georgian Foreign Intelligence Service.

    08:54 GMT - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev decides to end military operation in Georgia.

    10:02 GMT – "Tskhinvali and Sukhumi are our Jerusalem, and we won’t wait for 2,000 years to reclaim them," says the Speaker of the Georgian Parliament. [LOL what an idiotic statement]

    11:41 GMT – Tskhinvali mayor says 70 percent of the city’s buildings were destroyed during the conflict.

    12:35 GMT – President Saakashvili announces that Georgia is to quit the Commonwealth of Independent States and calls on other members to follow.

    15:59 GMT – Detailed battle plan discovered in a Georgian staff vehicle sheds light on Tbilisi’s plans for South Ossetia, says Russian military official.

    16:31 GMT – Georgian troops have been forced out of Kodori gorge, according to Abkhazian Deputy Defence Minister.

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  • crusader1492
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    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    yeah, that was weird
    Someone is trying to instigate...kind of like the Israeli flag at the LTP rallies.

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  • Mos
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    Originally posted by Hye_Psycho
    WTF i just saw an armenian flag in the saakashvili rally at tiblissi!
    yeah, that was weird

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  • crusader1492
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    US planners may have screwed up this operation, but that does not mean that thaey do not have contingincy plans. Escalating the conflict throughout the Caucuses may be one of them.
    With that said, I would not be too suprised if the US gave Azerbaijan the green light to attack Artsakh. Regardless, I'm confident that Armenia and Artsakh are on top of the situation.

    20:46 11/08/2008
    “ARI UNION” ENCOURAGES ARMENIANS LIVING IN DJAVAKHQ TO STAY APART

    Armenian “Ari Union” is worried about the Georgian-Osetian military conflict, which has already become the rason for destruction in the region and the death of hundreds of people.

    “Georgian troops have begun an undeclared war against South Osetia. Artsakh-NKR. South Osetia and Abkhazia have already gained independence, therefore, the action of Georgian troops is considered as invasion”.

    It is obvious, that the nationalistic authorities of Georgia are trying to re-occupy the land of South Osetia, once given to them during the Soviet period. That is why, “Ari Union” urges Georgian authorities to avoid engaging Armenians of Djavakhq in another war. Meanwhile, RA government should find an effective method to protect its citizens from becoming victims of Georgia-West impositions.

    Georgia would not begin military actions without the support of the US. That is why George Bush has urged the Russian side to remove its troops from Georgia, thus making clear that the US considers South Osetian conflict as another inconsistency between Russia and Georgia.
    Besides, it is the support of NATO, that makes Georgia to take chances without knowing the real consequences of this war.

    Georgian mass media are now accusing Armenia in sending destroyers and bombers against Georgian troops in Tskhinvali. Although, the false statements have already been denied by the MFA of RA, further instigations from Georgian side are still possible.

    Moreover, Turkey-Israel-US military union has its own interests in Armenian Highland and Caucasus as well, therefore it may try to provoke another conflict in NKR region.

    “Ari Union” urges Armenian authorities to take immediate measures in order to prevent all the possible dangerous actions against Armenia and Artsakh-NKR.

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