Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Bush may, or more correctly is, dumb enough to start a war with Iran, which could also lead to ww3, but do you really think he would start one with Russia especially over georgia?
However, as one of the articles pointed out, another Russian bombing raid may inadvertently kill american advisors which would really up the ante.
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
...seeing as the US wants its warships in the Black Sea and...Originally posted by North Pole View PostTurkey block US Navy!....
Oooooops........
Poor, poor America....
From Yahoo News:
As of late Thursday, Ankara , a NATO ally, hadn't cleared any U.S. naval vessels to steam to Georgia through the Bosporus and the Dardanelles, the narrow straits that connect the Mediterranean and the Black Seas, the officials said. Under the 1936 Montreaux Convention , countries must notify Turkey before sending warships through the straits.
U.S. officials said the Turks hadn't cleared U.S. naval vessels to transit the Bosporus and the Dardanelles.
"The Turks haven't been helpful," said a State Department official. "They are being sluggish and unresponsive."
The Russian invasion of Georgia has almost certainly unnerved Turkey because it has huge energy and trade interests in adjacent Central Asia.
Turkey also may be reluctant to jeopardize the $24 billion in annual trade it does with Russia , which provides around 70 percent of its natural gas supplies. The Turkish Navy also shares the Black Sea with Russia's powerful Black Sea Fleet, which in part has prompted Ankara in recent years to restrict U.S. and NATO naval operations and exercises there.
The current situation echoes the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq , when the Bush administration tried to send thousands of U.S. troops into northern Iraq through Turkey — a Muslim nation where most people opposed the war— without first obtaining Ankara's permission.
The Turkish parliament refused to allow the United States to use its territory.
...it looks like Turkey might be inadvertently delaying WWIII.US advises all Americans to leave Georgia
By MATTHEW LEE – 4 days ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department is recommending that all U.S. citizens to leave Georgia due to ongoing Russian bombing of civilian and military targets despite Russia's claim to have halted military operations there.
In a new travel warning, it says the security situation throughout Georgia remains uncertain and that it is organizing a third evacuation convoy to take Americans who want to leave by road to neighboring Armenia. More than 170 Americans left Georgia on Sunday and Monday in two similar convoys. The entire contingent of Peace Corps volunteers in Georgia has left for Armenia.
The department says the U.S. Embassy in Tbilisi remains open for emergency services and that Americans who chose not to leave should consider moving to secure locations.
This is scary. I think Bush really wants to start another war before he leaves office.Last edited by crusader1492; 08-16-2008, 08:13 AM.Leave a comment:
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Turkey block US Navy!....
Oooooops........
Poor, poor America....
From Yahoo News:
As of late Thursday, Ankara , a NATO ally, hadn't cleared any U.S. naval vessels to steam to Georgia through the Bosporus and the Dardanelles, the narrow straits that connect the Mediterranean and the Black Seas, the officials said. Under the 1936 Montreaux Convention , countries must notify Turkey before sending warships through the straits.
U.S. officials said the Turks hadn't cleared U.S. naval vessels to transit the Bosporus and the Dardanelles.
"The Turks haven't been helpful," said a State Department official. "They are being sluggish and unresponsive."
The Russian invasion of Georgia has almost certainly unnerved Turkey because it has huge energy and trade interests in adjacent Central Asia.
Turkey also may be reluctant to jeopardize the $24 billion in annual trade it does with Russia , which provides around 70 percent of its natural gas supplies. The Turkish Navy also shares the Black Sea with Russia's powerful Black Sea Fleet, which in part has prompted Ankara in recent years to restrict U.S. and NATO naval operations and exercises there.
The current situation echoes the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq , when the Bush administration tried to send thousands of U.S. troops into northern Iraq through Turkey — a Muslim nation where most people opposed the war— without first obtaining Ankara's permission.
The Turkish parliament refused to allow the United States to use its territory.
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The only leader to have defeated Israel speaks.
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US, Israel forsook Georgia amidst storm'
Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:47:34 GMT
The Hezbollah leader says Georgia's failure in Ossetia is a lesson to those who go on blind adventures with the US and Israeli support.
"Georgia relied on Israeli generals as well as Israeli weapons and faced failure", Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah said in a speech marking the second anniversary of the 33-day war with Israel in summer 2006.
The remarks were made shortly after Georgia faced a harsh response from Russia in its military action to retake control of South Ossetia last week.
The Hezbollah leader said "what happened in Georgia is a message to all those (governments) who rely on America's support and encouragement to go on adventures and wars which have not been properly studied".
Many believe the US military support and its trumpeting of Tblisi's NATO membership encouraged President Mikheil Saakashvili to launch the attack.
Analysts say Saakashvili miscalculated the Russian response to his forces entering the breakaway region. He waged the war but was not able to convince any NATO countries to support him.
"What America does is just to make statements".... urge nations to risk military "confrontations which see no end and at the end abandon" the embattled nation, Nasrallah said.
Tbilisi's failure, however could be a salutary lesson to its neighbors inclined to confront Moscow from under the US or Israeli security umbrella.
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Serzh Sargsyan Had a Phone Conversation with Saakashvili
Serzh Sargsyan had a telephone conversation with Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili on August 15.
According to the press bureau of the president, S.Sargsyan has sent his condolences concerned with the recent events in Georgia which caused death of hundreds of people. S.Sargsyan restated Armenia’s willingness to provide necessary humanitarian support to those suffered during the South Ossetia conflict.
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Dashnaks Want Armenian Role In Georgia Mediation
By Emil Danielyan
Echoing statements by the opposition, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun) on Friday urged official Yerevan to join in international efforts to stop the Russian-Georgian conflict over South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
The party’s governing Bureau warned that continued chaos in “friendly” Georgia and deepening tensions between Russia and the West would seriously hurt Armenia.
“We hope that after the dramatic confrontations both the conflicting parties and the international community will find ways of pacifying the region and settling existing problems by civilized means,” it said in a statement. “Armenia can and should join in those efforts.”
Armenia has kept a very low profile in the crisis in a country that serves as its main conduit to the outside world. President Serzh Sarkisian called for its peaceful settlement and offered condolences to his Russian and Georgian counterparts only after returning from a week-long vacation in China late Wednesday.
Sarkisian’s refusal to cut short his summer holiday has been strongly criticized by the main opposition Armenian National Congress (HAK). In a Wednesday statement, the HAK came up with a list of Georgia-related measures which it believes need to be taken urgently. It said Yerevan should, among other things, voice support for international mediation efforts, facilitate the evacuation of foreigners via Armenian territory, send humanitarian aid to Georgia and provide medical assistance to civilian victims of the fighting.
Sarkisian appears to have done just that at a Thursday meeting of Armenia’s National Security Council. In particular, he welcomed “constructive initiatives aimed at establishing peace and stability in the region” and ordered immigration authorities to ease visa requirements for foreigners fleeing Georgia.
According to the Armenian embassy in Tbilisi, as many 18,000 have been evacuated to Armenia since the August 8 outbreak of large-scale fighting in South Ossetia. Less than half of them are Armenian citizens.
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
The baboons have learned a new trick from the cyber-Georgian-S. Ossetian-war. Why the fuk do we put up with this crap? This is the third attack in less than a week and we have failed to produce any sort of counter-attack.
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Azerbaijani hackers attack websites of Armenian ministries - UPDATED
14 August 2008 [11:05] - Today.Az
14.08.08
11:05
According to the Armenian government, Azerbaijani hackers attacked all websites of 18 ministries of the Armenian government.
According to the source, the attack started on August 12.
Armenian programmers currently attempt to resist the hacker attack.
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Georgians doing forced labor in South Ossetia
Teams of ethnic Georgians, some under armed guard, were being forced to clean the streets of South Ossetia's capital on Saturday. It was the first apparent evidence of humiliation or abuse of Georgians in the Russian-controlled breakaway republic.
Three teams of ethnic Georgians, men in their 40s and 50s, were seen cleaning the streets of Tskhinvali, which was badly damaged in the fighting. When approached, one worker confirmed that he was being forced to work.
One group of about two dozen men was escorted through the streets by armed Ossetians and a Russian officer.
"Labor even turns monkeys into humans," the Russian officer said. He threatened to arrest an AP photographer if he took pictures.
The city was bombed and hit by heavy rocket fire when Georgia launched an offensive Aug. 7 to retake the separatist republic, and it saw fierce street battles after Russia responded to the Georgian attack by sending in hundreds of tanks.
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You are being too critical, Skhara. Look at what Moscow is doing, not what its saying. Separate diplomacy/politics from reality. For undestandable reasons, you are looking at this matter emotionally. You don't need to. According to Moscow, the fighting should have stopped a week ago, yet during this time period and despite all kinds of western threats Moscow sent forces deeper into Georgia, moved on Tbilisi, destroyed Georgia's navy in Poti, hit the BTC pipeline, hit various strategic military instalations throughout Georgia, stated that Georgia can forget about its territorial integrity, and it even threatened Poland with a nuclear strike... Don't worry, Americans/European/Israeli weapons in Georgia will be used as live target practice. So let Tbilisi arm itself once again. In reality, direct American support for Georgia actually helps Moscow's geopolitial intentions in the region. Nonetheless, this campaign proved beyond doubt that the US/NATO/Israel can not conduct any types of serious business in the Caucasus region. This war was what Russia was hoping and praying for. After this action by Moscow, Russia now controls all the geopolitical and economic cards of the region in full. Even if Moscow pulled out its forces from Georgia in total, the undisputed victor - economically, politically and militarily is the Russian Federation and its regional allies. The 1990s are over. This action finally ended Yeltsin's legacy.
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Learn the Truth about the Georgia Conflict
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_2fj...eature=related
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1HJJ...eature=related
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