Revolution finally?

[Haykakan]

Re: Revolution finally?

If you cannot make conclusions based on reasoning then what is the point of reasoning? Who says you cannot turn your thoughts into definite statements? Do you listen to yourselve? We have brains to gather information, analyze it and to fomrconclusions which decide what actions we take -this is how it works for normal people. People see they are getting screwd so they are going after those who are screwing them and they have every right to do that. You can sit home and watch it on tv if you like but you dont have the right to tell them that they "dont have a right to turn opinions into definite statements" when those opinions and statements are based on hard facts!

[Haykakan]

Re: Revolution finally?

SERJ TANKIAN SUPPORTS OCCUPY WALL STREET PROTERSTERS

Tert.am
18.10.11

Famous American-Armenian singer Serj Tankian expressed support with
the Occupy Wall Street protesters in the United States.

"I hope that the Occupy Wall Street movement truly turns into a
political force that pulls the Democrats to the much needed left, as
the Tea Party moved the Republicans toward the right. More importantly,
it's a celebration of the fact that the current post-industrial,
capital based, globalist agenda has failed due to its built in unjust
inequalities and the loss of faith of its adherents, the general
public," the singer said on his Facebook page.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Revolution finally?

SERJ TANKIAN SUPPORTS OCCUPY WALL STREET PROTERSTERS

Tert.am
18.10.11

Famous American-Armenian singer Serj Tankian expressed support with
the Occupy Wall Street protesters in the United States.

"I hope that the Occupy Wall Street movement truly turns into a
political force that pulls the Democrats to the much needed left, as
the Tea Party moved the Republicans toward the right. More importantly,
it's a celebration of the fact that the current post-industrial,
capital based, globalist agenda has failed due to its built in unjust
inequalities and the loss of faith of its adherents, the general
public," the singer said on his Facebook page.

I think the lyrics to "Unthinking Majority" best describes the current political arena.

[Haykakan]

Re: Revolution finally?

I think the lyrics to "Unthinking Majority" best describes the current political arena.

No man those in politics are thinking very hard about THEMSELVES!

[Mos]

Re: Revolution finally?

If you cannot make conclusions based on reasoning then what is the point of reasoning? Who says you cannot turn your thoughts into definite statements? Do you listen to yourselve? We have brains to gather information, analyze it and to fomrconclusions which decide what actions we take -this is how it works for normal people. People see they are getting screwd so they are going after those who are screwing them and they have every right to do that. You can sit home and watch it on tv if you like but you dont have the right to tell them that they "dont have a right to turn opinions into definite statements" when those opinions and statements are based on hard facts!

As I said, all of us can make conclusions based on our reasoning. Nothing is stopping us from doing that and it doesn't stop also some of the lunatic conspiracy theorists in the world in making their own conclusions. That's not the point. The point is you can't based off of your own reasoning alone, declare your conclusion to be fact, especially when the conclusion itself is rather extra-ordinary and rather wide-reaching. If you want to be taken seriously, and actually have at least some legitimacy to your points you need to support your reasoning and conclusion with an array of legitimate, academic evidence which comes from experts, professors, studies that all have serious expertise in the field and whose reasoning has legitimacy in the academic world. All of us can make a good argument, but in the end of the day if you want your argument to have some academic credibility it needs to have a solid support from external sources. I can just imagine if some people here were to write a thesis in economics regarding the "ponzi scheme" of the whole financial system in an academic setting like a research university - with the current reasoning and lack of evidence thatI see - their "conclusions" would be ridiculed and shred to pieces. So, I could care less what your opinion is or what reasoning you used or how good you think you know the financial system, if you are trying to convince me or anybody of a point, you are going to have to use solid academic proof to make me consider your viewpoint, or else without such proof, it's worthless.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Revolution finally?

As I said, all of us can make conclusions based on our reasoning. Nothing is stopping us from doing that and it doesn't stop also some of the lunatic conspiracy theorists in the world in making their own conclusions. That's not the point. The point is you can't based off of your own reasoning alone, declare your conclusion to be fact, especially when the conclusion itself is rather extra-ordinary and rather wide-reaching. If you want to be taken seriously, and actually have at least some legitimacy to your points you need to support your reasoning and conclusion with an array of legitimate, academic evidence which comes from experts, professors, studies that all have serious expertise in the field and whose reasoning has legitimacy in the academic world. All of us can make a good argument, but in the end of the day if you want your argument to have some academic credibility it needs to have a solid support from external sources. I can just imagine if some people here were to write a thesis in economics regarding the "ponzi scheme" of the whole financial system in an academic setting like a research university - with the current reasoning and lack of evidence thatI see - their "conclusions" would be ridiculed and shred to pieces. So, I could care less what your opinion is or what reasoning you used or how good you think you know the financial system, if you are trying to convince me or anybody of a point, you are going to have to use solid academic proof to make me consider your viewpoint, or else without such proof, it's worthless.

Ok, but Zionism isn't a conspiracy.... neither was Pan-Turkism... or Americanization...

[Mos]

Re: Revolution finally?

Ok, but Zionism isn't a conspiracy.... neither was Pan-Turkism... or Americanization...

Zionism is not a hypothesis or assumption, it's an idealogy/mindset, same with Pan-Turkism. I doubt you have people arguing over whether Zionism is real or not. Americanisation I see more as a term used to describe the influence and change caused by American culture and economy in other countries.

[Haykakan]

Re: Revolution finally?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8450

[Mos]

Re: Revolution finally?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=8450

Well the article itself is weak and it's definitely not an academic article - it seems to be more an opinionated article devoid of any real analysis of substantial references, not to mention the nature of the website it was published on. Now when it comes to what the author is saying - it's pretty typical rant about the control of the world via a small elite - in essence very similar to the New World Order conspiracy theorists. Again, like he does in his article, we can have an interesting discussion about how much real control we think this elite has over the world and what their real intentions are. I think it's pretty obvious first off, that large multi-national companies and the top people in them yield a lot of power and can make many things happen. These elites naturally will have a lot of control over governments, for example through lobbying efforts which comes with their money - all this is accepted fact. Now saying that there is this "plan for the world" which includes genocides, wars, etc. in order to control the world is crossing the line into indefinite and unsupported statements. It's a far-fetched assumption and not an analytical or academic conclusion - and if you ask me, just fringe paranoia.

I'm still waiting for Serjik to provide me with substantial academic proof that all the world markets, stocks, financial system is a "ponzi scheme"

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Revolution finely?

Aper how old are you? Wall Street and Washington creates virtual money and they force the world to use it. Its one big damn ponzi-scheme! The dollar is fake! Banks create money out of thin air. Stocks derivatives are also fake they are virtual realities made up by some mathematician and then they sell it to the naive people for mega profit. Its all a hoax like black magic!

Quite a wise observation. There is too much money that is not real money (most of it is not backed up by things that have real value). And what does America do to solve this problem of too much worthless money being unable to find things of value to attach to - it prints even more billions of the stuff!