Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

THE REST IS SILENCE
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We Have all met the Armenian who has been
so thoroughly Ottomanized or Stalinized
that he considers democracy an aberration,
intolerance (which he thinks of as inflexible
adherence to noble principles) a virtue,
and human rights an evil concept
invented by the corrupt West
whose ultimate aim is drag the rest of the world
down
to its own level of moral decline and
degeneration.
Whenever I confront such an Armenian
I cannot help thinking that
these are not his ideas but those of a parish
priest
(whose prejudices have been blessed by a bishop)
or a schoolmaster (whose ignorance has been
legitimized by a boss…
all in the name of God and Country, of course,
and to hell with reason, common sense and
decency).
And I write not because I want to change
anyone’s mind
but because I am not old and wise enough to
reconcile myself to silence,
and even as I go on writing
I look forward to the day when
I will no longer feel the need to write….

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2][3]

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a caution against the use of inflammatory rhetoric or exaggerated comparisons, and is often conflated with fallacious arguments of the reductio ad Hitlerum form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

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Ara,

Not only are you a con-artist (as Axel pointed out)...you are also a cliche.

what's a smart armenian like you wasting his time reading a nobody like me?
ask me the same question, i will answer it by saying: Because you are a dupe of our bosses, bishops, and benefactors, and whenever you open your mouth, outs pours their verbal vomit.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

LAMENTATION
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a brainwashed armenian
and a brainwashed turk
might as well be
interchangeable units.
Lord have mercy!
Der voghormia,
der voghormia,
der voghormia.

Would it be possible someday to post something of substance, rather than these petulant sound bites?

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

LAMENTATION
**************************
a brainwashed armenian
and a brainwashed turk
might as well be
interchangeable units.
Lord have mercy!
Der voghormia,
der voghormia,
der voghormia.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

in everything i write i oppose propaganda, which is a political euphemism for lies; and now i am being criticized for engaging in propaganda? Propaganda for whom, may i ask? what nation and what power structure?
Keep slinging mud in the hope that some of it will stick.

as for armenian literature: I recycle ideas by armenian writers from Khorenatsi and Yeghishe to Zarian and Massikian.
whose ideas -- make it propaganda -- do you recycle?
answer that question honestly and you will know yourself better. and please, do not hide yourself behind and beneath such concepts as patriotism. the patriotism of dupes leads to disaster -- as it did under Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2][3]

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a caution against the use of inflammatory rhetoric or exaggerated comparisons, and is often conflated with fallacious arguments of the reductio ad Hitlerum form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

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Ara,

Not only are you a con-artist (as Axel pointed out)...you are also a cliche.

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

in everything i write i oppose propaganda, which is a political euphemism for lies; and now i am being criticized for engaging in propaganda? Propaganda for whom, may i ask? what nation and what power structure?
Keep slinging mud in the hope that some of it will stick.

as for armenian literature: I recycle ideas by armenian writers from Khorenatsi and Yeghishe to Zarian and Massikian.
whose ideas -- make it propaganda -- do you recycle?
answer that question honestly and you will know yourself better. and please, do not hide yourself behind and beneath such concepts as patriotism. the patriotism of dupes leads to disaster -- as it did under Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

It is not a question of age. One respects he who deserves respect. Age is irrelevant in that regard.

Some people are under the impression that individuals grow into "respect" or respect must be demanded. This kind of thought actually reminds me of Middle Eastern "Ottoman" type thinking...

Thank you for validating my claim and demonstrating in the same blow that you are nothing more than a mediocre propangandist (and not an intellectual) who displays the exact same sort of behaviour as the one he decries by others.

Don't forget - intellectual dwarf/Մտավոր թզուկ

I'm afraid the world (even the armenian one) is not conveniently divided into "democrats" and "fascists" (Willi Münzenberg died a long time ago but his propaganda tricks are still much in use to this day it appears) as you would want your readers to believe.

What did you expect from an intellectual dwarf, depth?

A genuine intellectual would advocate our nation following its own path on the grounds of its own identity, not present it with this rigged (and totalitarian) choice westernization/ottomanization.

Very profound statement. This comment of yours lies at the very foundation of these individuals' problems.

Still I will tell you, of the two alternatives, the first one is the worst for westernization destroys the very spirit of a nation and leads to its enslavement to matter. westernization is the death of a nation, its degeneration into anamorphic cattle. As long as the spirit lives, there is hope. With westernization there is none whatsoever.

A point I would like to clarify. Westernization? I wouldn't describe it as such. I would rather call it "Globalization" which is simply disguised as Westernization. And this Globalization is a new form of Bolshevism - I call it Neo-Bolshevism. It may be derived by Western powers and Western interests, however, it is not Western culture, it has nothing to do with Western heritage. Western culture, Christian-European heritage, is the very soul of the entire planet. Western cultural achievements are simply too vast to list. We Armenians simply need to learn to 'decipher' what are Western cultural values and what is Neo-Bolshevism...

Nevertheless, I want to tell you that a friend of mine who knows you personally was right in his assessment of you: You are a brilliant man.

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Sunday, February 03, 2008
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REFLECTIONS
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When told non-violence is for cowards, Gandhi replied: “I prefer violence to cowardice. A coward has no right to call himself a member of the human race.”
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A nation whose rulers are ignorant philistines, both ignorance and philistinism will be the norm and anyone who refuses to conform will be an enemy of the people – not an enemy of ignorance and philistinism, but a traitor to the cause.
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There are honest men and there are liars, and i prefer an honest Turk to a lying Armenian.
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In his efforts to assert his Armenianism, one of our nationalist leaders claimed to have traced his ancestry all the way back to the Mamikonians (Chinese) -- or was it the Bagratunis (xxxs)?
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“There is no such thing as a Turk,” a Turkish friend once informed me. “We have all been bastardized and mongrelized. We are all the offspring of mixed marriages that go back hundreds of years. There is a Greek, an Armenian, a xxx, a Kurd, and an Albanian in all of us.”
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In the Armenian ghetto where I was born and raised there was a blond barber called Alaman (German in Turkish) and another named Kurdoghlanian (Son of a Kurd). They were accepted as Armenians and no one questioned their pedigree, perhaps because everybody was too busy trying to survive in an alien environment to care about such impure concepts as “pure blood.”
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No matter how hard they try, they will never convince me that honesty and objectivity are anti-Armenian, or that the statement “All men are brothers” is pro-Turkish.
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To brainwashed dupes who question my Armenianism on the grounds that I am critical of fellow Armenians, I ask: If I speak the truth and in doing so I expose liars, am I good or bad? After long centuries of living in fear, aren’t you tired of lies? Why should truth be a source of dread? What if in treating an honest Armenian as if he were a Turk, you succeed only in exposing your Ottomanism?
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A historian is not judged by the degree of his patriotism, nationalism, or loyalty to a power structure, but by his honesty and impartiality. For more on this subject see Michael Grant’s GREEK AND ROMAN HISTORIANS: INFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION (London, 1995).
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[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

I am neither supporting Ara nor his detractors.

Bullxxxx. You have 100% been supporting Ara.
You are only retreating to a neutral stance now for face saving reasons.
Why don't you concede that your pro Ara arguments are invalid.

It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

I am neither supporting Ara nor his detractors. But Ara's detractors are supporting Ara in their conduct. Ara and I are fundamentally juxtaposed on the lynchpin issue within the diaspora - Armenian genocide recognition. But as it appears the lot of you are illiterate, I cannot expect you to grasp that you can disagree with someone and still appreciate his or her right to express himself.