Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!
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Ara's birthday has come and gone already. Also, there is already a thead for Ara's writings. Could you please close this thread and move Ara's posts to the appropriate thread: "notes and comments".
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Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!
Thursday, December 27, 2007
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POLITICS 101
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A regime, any regime, even a regime of swine, will have its supporters.
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In America today only 50% of the people vote. When asked why he doesn’t vote, a wise man once replied: “I don’t believe in encouraging them.”
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One thing I have learned about my fellow Armenians and myself: We are human beings like the rest of mankind. Anyone who says we are better is either a brown-noser or a damn fool.
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Propaganda teaches us to overestimate ourselves and to underestimate our adversaries, which promotes the view that our leaders are shepherds and their leaders butchers. But then, where would butchers be without shepherds?
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If we are what we have become it’s because of liars whose favorite sport is the blame-game.
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Self-assessed smart Armenians will never agree with me because agreeing with me would amount to admitting they are fools who have been taken in by liars.
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After calling them “enemies of the people,” fascist leaders silence their critics. It is always the same story. After confusing fact with fiction they commit unspeakable crimes against humanity with the full support of their dupes. This may explain why there are people today (not all of them Turks) who believe Talaat was a great leader and his victims traitors who deserved their fate. This may also explain why some of the greatest butchers in the history of mankind, from Caligula and Nero to Stalin and Hitler, had their supporters.
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Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!
Wednesday, December 26, 2007
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ANALYSIS
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If you prefer fiction to fact, don’t read what follows because I plan to speak of reality, and reality in our case is seldom pretty.
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If we are angry we have every right to be. Throughout our millennial history we have been ruled by foreign ruffians and domestic riffraff. My disagreement with my fellow Armenians begins when they take out this anger on fellow Armenians, and this without provocation -- unless you call a minor semantic or political disagreement a provocation – as if, throughout our long and happy existence we have known nothing but peace, harmony, and brotherhood among ourselves.
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One does not have to be a combination of Sherlock Holmes and Freud to understand what I have said so far and what follows, namely that this vast store of accumulated resentment is not directed against our victimizers but against fellow victims, for the simple reason that our victimizers are either beyond our reach or, when within reach, they are invulnerable. This has been said by far better men than myself but it bears repeating: An Armenian’s worst enemy is not an odar but an Armenian, and this “other” Armenian is none other than himself.
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On more than one occasion I have been told I have no right to speak of our problems unless I also propose a solution. This, needless to add, is a cheap rhetorical maneuver whose message is “Shut up!” To those of my readers who have not yet given up reading me so far, my suggested solution to the problem outlined above is a simple one: awareness. Because awareness of a problem is almost a solution.
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If I were to describe an Armenian in a single sentence, I would say he is one who knows everything but understands nothing. As a result, his degree of awareness is that of a dinosaur. This may explain why Toynbee in his 10-volume STUDY OF HISTORY calls us “fossils,” like xxxs. But whereas xxxs were outraged and promptly rejected the label (see Maurice Samuel’s THE PROFESSOR AND THE FOSSIL), as far as i know, none of our professors rose to our defense. Is it because they secretly agreed with Toynbee? Either that or our professors are not in the habit of sharing their understand with us, probably because they know the torrents of verbal abuse that will be unleashed against them by our riffraff and their brainwashed dupes. Perhaps our real tragedy is not that we don’t understand but that we don’t want to understand, and that, I regret to say, is a problem that has no solution.
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Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!
Ok Efendi Virgil, I won't.
Originally posted by Virgil View Postxxxx you, don't call him Ermeni.
You want my hairy arse kicked out of here, why?! Am having fun reading all what you guys have to say. You're having your fun too; flouting around relegating all who desagrees with you and what have you...
But if you insist, Highness, I would most gladly do so. Or may be just spend the day LOLLLOSHING)) You just have to ask me politely or else I'm reporting your verbal abuse!
You know Ermeni, you just made my day. The last one was a real cracker. you win my vote on that. And I won't call you Ermeni any often cause' Virgil won't allow it.Last edited by zourna; 12-26-2007, 09:55 AM.
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Originally posted by zourna View PostHey Ermeni, you're a cracker)))
Come off it now, you're not a real fascist are you?! Fascists don't have any sense of humor. You seem full of it!
keep up the pace!
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Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!
Originally posted by Siamanto2.2 He should not let the (few bigmouth) trees hide the forest
Originally posted by Siamanto2.4 He is grossly extrapolating and exaggerating
2.3 He's the first victim of his venom
2.4 etc. etc.
Originally posted by SiamantoThe answer is "NO, I don't see in the above good reasons to tolerate an uncultured bully like Armenian!" Furthermore, as suggested above, there is no telling that a riff-raff like Armenian is of any value to the (building) of the Armenian Nation.Last edited by Virgil; 12-25-2007, 10:21 PM.
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Originally posted by Siamanto View PostI have done it in the past and I have no intention to waste my time discussing with an uncultured and uneducated bully like Armenian who seems to believe that a bigmouth is the foundation of a solid argument. Fortunately, narrow minded and semi-literate bullies like him are decreasing in number within the Armenian Society; a fact that one may interpret as an indication that their role in (building) the future of the Armenia Nation is at best secondary and/or unnecessary.
Siamanto, I am assuming you are a "patriotic" person and or maybe even "nationalistic" (I have learned from the past, the "patriotic" has no baring on the "nationalistic", they are mutually exclusive terms), but I will give you the benefit of the doubt, assuming you are a "nationalist", do you give your "salut" to Ara because you believe in his cause and work or are you doing so to prove a point? If it is the previous, I have already highlighted why then you are a hypocrite, essentially, you post about the "well being" of the Armenian state, but yet support a individual that has undermined any nationalistic feelings, it is a self-defeating cycle. You are trying to convince the men and women, your audience of the importance of "economic development of Armenia", "Turkish-Armenian bilateral relations", and "cultural achievements of the Diaspora", but yet on the basic level you support a individual that has attacked everything that is nationalistic, everything that screams, "I am Armenian, this is who I am".
And understand, the idea that I, Virgil, am this "extreme nationalist" and you are not is a misconception. The reality is that any individual that raises the Armenian flag is a nationalist, however, the funny thing is that while I defend the values of the Armenian state and people, many "flag wavers" don't. If they are indeed "nationalist" then they should stand up for the Armenian state not only during good times, but also during bad times, times when their ass is also on the line. However, this is a truly a pipedream (Paying attention to details, the answers are there), if every Armenian had it within themselves to take the national question with more seriousness then we would not be having this conversation, then our intellectual and industrial elite would be on my side and we would truly have a functional state, but we all know this will never happen because you have individuals like "Ara type", who for 72 years strived to "educate" themselves only to turn around and use their education against the very same institutions and "unique people" that were instramental in the education of the "Ara type" in the first place.
And what has the "Ara type" done but put weight behind every degenerative element in the Armenian community and severe any ties Armenians have to their state and people? Let me ask you, what is more valuable to a impressionable youth, Armenain talking about geopolitics with a nationalistic overtone or Ara Baliozian that talks about "grandiose" ideas where only a exposed viewer understands him and has experience with his work? His views are important to a state that has reached the economic standards of the "first world", it has no use to Armenia and Armenians that are part of the developing world, we still need to expand and pillage others to move up in the food chain. And I would support Armenian ofcourse, essentially, assuming Armenian may be the most "assbackwards" talking head, assuming he has made "inaccurate" statements, but at the very end, at least with Armenian the audience can become more interested in the national question, at least by reading his views you garner a sense of a national pride versus Ara, who only demotivates and confuses you.
Originally posted by SiamantoI will not reply to the (text) above, as I don't see any purpose - or value; however, the following may be pertinent
1. Don't you think that your statement "At least if you are going to call a man out have the common courtesy to explain why you have called him out?"
Makes your unexplained comments seem hypocritical?
2. Confucius said something like: "If you hit a pot and it sounds hollow, it does not mean that the pot is empty"
To (2), Confucius also stated:
Originally posted by ConfuciusThe superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come. When in a state of security he does not forget the possibility of ruin. When all is orderly, he does not forget that disorder may come. Thus his person is not endangered, and his States and all their clans are preserved.
Originally posted by SiamantoJust curious, when and how the many issues raised above were addressed in - and/or implied by - my post??? Can you limit yourself to what is said? The above raises many issues in an amalgamated manner and, I don't have time to discuss them. Thanks for the podium!
In any case, it was about his simplistic and uneducated views and poor analytical skills, not geopolitical - strategic or tactical - inclinations and preferences - that are, according to polls, shared by most Armenians
Originally posted by SiamantoI will reply to your PM, titled "Your Support for Ara Baliozian," in public - as it is not a private matter; believing in "Information Democracy" - i.e. transparency - I stay away from "behind the scene" tractations.
Originally posted by SiamantoMy views on arabaliozian and Armenian are made public, in the past, and I have neither the intention, nor the time, to revisit them.
But you know what is sad in all of this? You have some Turkish asswipe by the name of Zourna, calling your fellow Armenian "Ermani", a name for the most that means "gavor" (Dog) and yet, here you are, attacking Armenian when in fact we should all be asking this dipxxxx to leave the forums. Typically Armenian stupidity brought to you by the true "dividers", the "Ara type", yes, ladies and gentlemen, this peice of xxxx "writer" has opted to embrace the liberal views even at the expense of his fellow Armenians being called "dogs".
Originally posted by Siamanto1. Where was arabaliozian mentioned in my post?
Originally posted by Siamanto2. Are you suggesting that I should tolerate a neighborhood bully - i.e. Armenian, just because a member of the community - i.e. arabaliozian - does not have the lucidity to realize that
Originally posted by Siamanto2.1 In a community, the few uncultured and narrow minded bigmouthes - such as Armenian and his like - make most of the noiseLast edited by Virgil; 12-26-2007, 12:03 AM.
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Originally posted by Virgil View PostI respect your decision, certainly, not everyone has the time nor the strength to give a full detailed assesment of geopolitical events because they are most of the time very long and contain a very intricate chain of implications. At least if you are going to call a man out have the common courtesy to explain why you have called him out.
Originally posted by Virgil View PostWhat is amusing is how you claim Armenian's political analysis is flawed when in fact all you do is post articles with no depth,
1. Don't you think that your statement "At least if you are going to call a man out have the common courtesy to explain why you have called him out?"
Makes your unexplained comments seem hypocritical?
2. Confucius said something like: "If you hit a pot and it sounds hollow, it does not mean that the pot is empty"
Originally posted by Virgil View PostAre you implying then Armenia should not align themselves with Russia? Are you implying that we should open our borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan? What is your agenda and opinion regarding Armenian's political analysis? Please, the podium is yours. I personally agree with Armenian, in the short term we can xxxxx ourselves to the west, but the reality is that it is in our interests to pick the Russian state over others due to historical anticidents that closely aligns our interests, essentially, a weak Turkey means a strong Russia, and a strong Russia means a stable Armenia that can develop without having fear of the Turkish saber since Russian interests will not permit Armenia from falling into the hands of, not only, Turkey, but Iran and Azerbaijan.
In any case, it was about his simplistic and uneducated views and poor analytical skills, not geopolitical - strategic or tactical - inclinations and preferences - that are, according to polls, shared by most Armenians.
I will reply to your PM, titled "Your Support for Ara Baliozian," in public - as it is not a private matter; believing in "Information Democracy" - i.e. transparency - I stay away from "behind the scene" tractations.
Originally posted by VirgilI am just curious, do you buy his bullxxxx? Really, do you understand that every sentance the man spouts goes against any of your "efforts" at any "political" and "nationalistic" push? Does this register? I don't want to call you out in public when you insult Armenian, so please, explain yourself?
1. Where was arabaliozian mentioned in my post?
2. Are you suggesting that I should tolerate a neighborhood bully - i.e. Armenian, just because a member of the community - i.e. arabaliozian - does not have the lucidity to realize that
2.1 In a community, the few uncultured and narrow minded bigmouthes - such as Armenian and his like - make most of the noise
2.2 He should not let the (few bigmouth) trees hide the forest
2.4 He is grossly extrapolating and exaggerating
2.3 He's the first victim of his venom
2.4 etc. etc.
The answer is "NO, I don't see in the above good reasons to tolerate an uncultured bully like Armenian!" Furthermore, as suggested above, there is no telling that a riff-raff like Armenian is of any value to the (building) of the Armenian Nation.Last edited by Siamanto; 12-25-2007, 10:08 PM.
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Originally posted by zourna View PostHey Ermeni, you're a cracker)))
Come off it now, you're not a real fascist are you?! Fascists don't have any sense of humor. You seem full of it!
keep up the pace!
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Hey Ermeni, you're a cracker)))
Come off it now, you're not a real fascist are you?! Fascists don't have any sense of humor. You seem full of it!
keep up the pace!
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