Religion and Atheism

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

That and toward religion being forced onto others insofar as it permeates government and influences decision making that impacts other persons. I have a problem with a member of government using religion to inform their decision making, voting, etc.

Examples:
Trying to teach creation in science classrooms. - In a public school, sure. You can't push that onto parents who want creation science to be taught.

Banning stem-cell research based on religious objections. - Stem-cell research was never banned. What was banned is the use of stem cells from embryos. Besides, it's cheaper to get South Korea to do it.

Spending government money on giant statues of the commandments. - I'm sure public citizens will be glad to pay for it out of their own pocket and even buy out the property to put it on. If you don't want to see it then don't look.

Women dying because no one in a hospital or medical facility has learned how to perform an abortion because of their religious beliefs. - So you want to force doctors to learn something that they refuse to do out of their free will. Dictator much? My suggestion, clothes hanger and some bleach.

And yes, I have a problem with "under God" in the pledge of allegiance too. It wasn't there originally; it was added and it should be removed because it violates separation of church and state. - Personally, I shouldn't be forced to sing the national anthem either. However, good luck getting the word God off of American money since that is what controls the people.

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

What else do you want?

I don't want the sorts of things I listed in the previous post.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Says Historian Kan... no wait, you're not one...

Separation of church and state was a BIG one. How is that a Judeo-Christian principle, pray tell?

In Kanada, you can choose to allocate taxes to the Catholic school board or the public school board. Those are your two choices of schooling. As far as I know, you need to dish out a lot of money to send your kids to a Catholic or other private school in the U.S. That is separation between church and state. The state doesn't teach your kids religion unless you pay for it out of your own pocket. What else do you want?

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

LOL, the U.S. was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. They leave the country, all that's left is retards that don't know how anything works.

Says Historian Kan... no wait, you're not one...

Separation of church and state was a BIG one. The constitution is a secular document.

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion….

—U.S. Treaty with Tripoli, 1797

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

No. The US was founded with these ideals and it has swayed from that. The solution is not to move.

LOL, the U.S. was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. They leave the country, all that's left is retards that don't know how anything works.

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Then move.

No. The US was founded with these ideals and it has swayed from that. The solution is not to move.


Is that what you would tell Armenians unhappy with the state of the RA? Move? THAT attitude is part of the problem, no? Isn't it better to stay and try to fix it, than to leave?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

That and toward religion being forced onto others insofar as it permeates government and influences decision making that impacts other persons. I have a problem with a member of government using religion to inform their decision making, voting, etc.

Examples:
Trying to teach creation in science classrooms.
Banning stem-cell research based on religious objections.
Spending government money on giant statues of the commandments.
Women dying because no one in a hospital or medical facility has learned how to perform an abortion because of their religious beliefs.

And yes, I have a problem with "under God" in the pledge of allegiance too. It wasn't there originally; it was added and it should be removed because it violates separation of church and state.

Then move.

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

That and toward religion being forced onto others insofar as it permeates government and influences decision making that impacts other persons. I have a problem with a member of government using religion to inform their decision making, voting, etc.

Examples:
Trying to teach creation in science classrooms.
Banning stem-cell research based on religious objections.
Spending government money on giant statues of the commandments.
Women dying because no one in a hospital or medical facility has learned how to perform an abortion because of their religious beliefs.

And yes, I have a problem with "under God" in the pledge of allegiance too. It wasn't there originally; it was added and it should be removed because it violates separation of church and state.

[Sip]

Re: Religion and Atheism

BINGO. They aren't irreligious, they are in fact hostile towards people of faith.

I am ONLY hostile towards stupidity. If you are willing to say you have faith just because you want to have faith, I have no problem with it. I have a problem if you say you have faith because what you believe in is "True". For something to be "True", there has to be a way to verify the "trueness" and the scientific method is the best thing we have for that. The rest is just our best guess. Which again, it is fine if you are willing to acknowledge that it is a guess

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

"They will never accept anything because they're not interested in an open discussion of the issue, but they're interested in destroying faith."

BINGO. They aren't irreligious, they are in fact hostile towards people of faith.