Religion and Atheism

[Sip]

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Armenians have always had a God or Gods. Before Christianity there was Zoroastrianism, and before that it was the Armenian pantheon of gods, and before that it was Sun cults, etc. Regardless, all are paths to the Divine.

I often wonder what will come next. It is interesting to see how the various religious phases have evolved and sort of adjusted themselves over time. But at least for me it is very hard to picture how things will shape up in the next 2000 years.

[Armanen]

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I seem to end up wanting to say this every few pages: There were Armenians looooooooong before the Church. We have a rich history and culture that date much farther back than 300AD (as much as Turks and Azeris want to claim otherwise). And I hope we will continue to exist long after this latest religious fad changes for something else (history has shown over and over that religious beliefs are temporary and change as humans do).

Armenians have always had a God or Gods. Before Christianity there was Zoroastrianism, and before that it was the Armenian pantheon of gods, and before that it was Sun cults, etc. Regardless, all are paths to the Divine.

And Yerazhishda is correct. I know a few Armenian atheists, and they realize the importance of the AAC and support it. What I dislike are when 'Armenians' talk poorly of the AAC on a regular basis, and this is made even worse when that person is an atheist. It is adding insult to injury.

[Sip]

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If you want to be an atheist that's fine and dandy (at the same time, I will pray for your conversion), but don't claim to be Armenian while at the same time trying to bring down and draw people away from our Church.

I seem to end up wanting to say this every few pages: There were Armenians looooooooong before the Church. We have a rich history and culture that date much farther back than 300AD (as much as Turks and Azeris want to claim otherwise). And I hope we will continue to exist long after this latest religious fad changes for something else (history has shown over and over that religious beliefs are temporary and change as humans do).

[Eddo211]

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a symbol of the Armenian people's deep rooted faith, even in the face of most vicious adversities. The original "Khatchkar/", carved on stone, was brought to Holy Echmiadzin Monastery, Armenia, in 1279 from the region of Mt. Ararat. Note that this Armenian Cross is an eight-point cross which makes it uniquely Armenian. The star which appears below the cross is the typical eight-pointed Armenian star. The eight points on both the cross and the star represent the eight directions of the compass and date back to pre-Christianity Armenia.

http://armenianembroidery.tripod.com/index.htm#Armenian%20Cross

[yerazhishda]

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If you're an atheist I can deal with that and even sympathise with your position - although I wholeheartedly disagree with it and glorify Our Lord Jesus Christ and pronounce His Resurrection. However, what I can't understand or seem to wrap my head around are the Armenian so-called "atheists" who try to destroy and would love to see the destruction, demise and drop in attendance to the Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church. This makes no sense to me. In my opinion, if you are against the Armenian Church, you are against Armenians and Armenia - that's it. If you want to be an atheist that's fine and dandy (at the same time, I will pray for your conversion), but don't claim to be Armenian while at the same time trying to bring down and draw people away from our Church.

[HayotzAmrotz]

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Since I personally know Buddhists that are VERY moral by pretty much any definition of morality you go by, I can very comfortably say you are wrong.

I've seen Buddhists and their actions in real life and in the most Buddhist country in the entire world - Thailand. Have you been to that hellhole? If they are so moral then why do they let hundreds of thousands of their own children be sexually abused by thousands of foreigners every single day?

Let me tell you why: Because they have no morals, because they sell their children, because they all (from town mayor, school teacher to police officer) take bribes and allow every single sexual perversion imaginable to happen to their children.

This is very plain and simple: There are examples of morality without Jesus. I don't know if this can be explained in any simpler terms.

Yes, of course there are many examples of morality by non-Christians, but the Christianity is the most highest and the absolute best in terms of providing moral guidance.

[Sip]

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S & S refusal to accept the moral guidance of Christianity renders them deaf and blind to the Truth, which can only come from the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Since I personally know Buddhists that are VERY moral by pretty much any definition of morality you go by, I can very comfortably say you are wrong.

This is very plain and simple: There are examples of morality without Jesus. I don't know if this can be explained in any simpler terms.

[HayotzAmrotz]

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KanadaHye, you are wasting your time debating with Siggie and Sip (S & S) on this issue because they are non-believers. Eddo211 pointed out very correctly that Christianity is the best moral compass humanity has ever had, and that without this moral guidance the world, basically, will be even more f*cked-up than it is now. S & S refusal to accept the moral guidance of Christianity renders them deaf and blind to the Truth, which can only come from the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Siggie, my remarks and language are not offensive at all when one compares it to gays’ propaganda, which they beam through TV channel on a daily basis. Not to mention movies, radios and newspapers, which are full of butt-plugged halfwits advertising their sick lifestyle with a hope to convert even more innocent people (specially teens and children) into their wicked “religion”.
They are VERY offensive to me, my friends and my family but we don’t go around b-itching about it because we are steadfast in our beliefs.

This reminds me of the creation of the Turk as an ethnic group: The Altay horsemen’s (original Turks) wild lifestyle of plunder, rape and violence became very attractive to some of their newly conquered subjects, such as Greeks and Armenians, which led to some of these subjects voluntarily becoming Turks themselves, and that’s exactly how and why within a few generations a relatively small Altay horsemen’s tribe turned into a large nation. So, had these Greeks and Armenians remain steadfast the Turkish phenomenon would have never happened. Today’s gays are the modern equivalent of that Altay tribe, spreading their lifestyle in order to convert more people and strengthen their positions.

[Sip]

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I think one conclusion that is very easy to draw from this entire thread is that if you want to believe the Bible is "True", then you have no choice but to ignore "studies", and "facts", and "evidence" etc as well as start making some blanket statements like homosexuality is a choice, animals do not think, humans are perfect etc which really have no basis in reality.

And if you don't agree with me, then I'll have Kanadahye deal with you properly.

[Siggie]

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I've experimented on both of you and I can see the joke is on you two Jesus Christ!!!!

You couldn't define an experiment if your life depended on it let alone conduct one.