Religion and Atheism

[Sip]

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What if you were born in Ancient Greece and they handed you to a man at the age of 12 and you liked it?

What's the problem if I liked it? I think it would suck if I didn't like it .. no?

[KanadaHye]

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Here are a couple citations in the event you'd like to read them.
Studies of both men and women.

Bailey JM, Pillard RC (1991). A genetic study of male sexual orientation. Archives of General Psychiatry, 48 (12): 1089–96.
Bailey JM, Benishay DS (1993). Familial aggregation of female sexual orientation. American Journal of Psychiatry, 150 (2): 272–7.

Who the F*** cares. Bunch of self absorbed wackos who get paid to write about other wackos.

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Here are a couple citations in the event you'd like to read them.
Studies of both men and women.

Bailey JM, Pillard RC (1991). A genetic study of male sexual orientation. Archives of General Psychiatry, 48 (12): 1089–96.
Bailey JM, Benishay DS (1993). Familial aggregation of female sexual orientation. American Journal of Psychiatry, 150 (2): 272–7.

[Siggie]

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<sigh> This was something that was cultural. And you seem to keep pointing out to male homosexuality and overlook that many women enjoy same/bi/straight relationships which has little to do with attraction and everything to do with pleasure.

I didn't say anything in that particular post about men exclusively. I'm not restricting anything I'm saying to men only.

Interestingly enough though, women are actually a little more complicated according to some of the research. Particularly the research that focuses on physiological measures of sexual arousal rather than self-report.

There are also twin-studies by the way... they found that the concordance rates go in this order: monozygotic twins > same-sex dizygotic twins >same sex non-twin sibling > adoptive same-sex siblings. This supports a genetic/biological influence.

[KanadaHye]

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I haven't seen any research about this particularly, however based on anecdotal evidence, I think that just as heterosexual children recall crushes and things from early childhood (indications that they knew their orientation then), many homosexuals recall knowing as children that they were attracted to the same sex.

<sigh> This was something that was cultural. And you seem to keep pointing out to male homosexuality and overlook that many women enjoy same/bi/straight relationships which has little to do with attraction and everything to do with pleasure.

[Siggie]

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No, but you have to have the mentality of a man to understand what I said (I should have put a smiley I suppose). Even a hole in a wall can be good try (just kidding).

I understood what you were saying.

Seriously though Christianity gives us the best moral compass (compared to worshipping objects and Gods before Christianity), Religion has always been around since man walked this earth. Men always need some guidance, protocol, marching order, some structure, belief, etc.. or it can become very ugly very quick, from Cannibalism to homosexuality and everything else goes.

This is about morality... So, if somehow you conclusively found out today that there's no god, do you think you'd run out and start killing and cooking people?
If that's the sort of person you are, PLEASE hold on tightly to your religious beliefs. Religion has been around because there's an inclination (supported by MRI evidence recently) that this tendency toward this type of belief is hard-wired. Just because people have believed, doesn't make it true though.
Just as you'd have no problem saying those early religions were false.

Mother Nature does not make a mistake. A human being is a perfectly design machine including all living creatures and species who have survived the test of time. Sickness and birth defects are caused by other means (can be also a way of nature to separate the strong from the weak...law of the jungle baby). Look at a human hand that can wheel a sword or built structures or pick up a small pin, it is a marvel of engineering.

Seriously, learn more about the body. Who would design people to eat and breathe through the same opening? That's marvelous engineering?
Peeing and having sex with the same organ or the organ next door? And one of my favorites because the creationists love to talk about how amazing the eye is... the eye is freaking backwards and it causes problems (e.g. a blind spot). These things fit evolutionary theory better than design.

Also, swords, and things were invented by people with those hands. The opposable thumb is handy for grabbing things, yes... and those with one would be favored, would survive, and would pass their opposable thumb genes on. P.S. our nearest relatives have them too.

Anything that evolved IN a particular environment would seem perfectly suited for that environment. Super obvious, no?

What size Boobs is more than what a mans hand can handle?

Manswers:

Most men have hands that are no larger than 7.5 inches across, and even though men prefer to handle a D cup (10 inchs across) the extensive field testing has shown that anything larger than a B cub is more than a handful.


You guys are too serious.

Damn... I'm being wasteful.

[Eddo211]

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Do you mean that if Christianity didn't teach people that it's wrong to be gay then guys would be trying to plug other men's holes? Really?! You can say this is what you believe with a straight face?

No, but you have to have the mentality of a man to understand what I said (I should have put a smiley I suppose). Even a hole in a wall can be good try (just kidding).

Seriously though Christianity gives us the best moral compass (compared to worshipping objects and Gods before Christianity), Religion has always been around since man walked this earth. Men always need some guidance, protocol, marching order, some structure, belief, etc.. or it can become very ugly very quick, from Cannibalism to homosexuality and everything else goes.

And mother nature doesn't make mistakes?!
Umm... Cleft palates, down syndrome, heart abnormalities, etc. What's that about? "Mother Nature" intends for some children to be retarded?
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Mother Nature does not make a mistake. A human being is a perfectly design machine including all living creatures and species who have survived the test of time. Sickness and birth defects are caused by other means (can be also a way of nature to separate the strong from the weak...law of the jungle baby). Look at a human hand that can wheel a sword or built structures or pick up a small pin, it is a marvel of engineering.



What size Boobs is more than what a mans hand can handle?

Manswers:

Most men have hands that are no larger than 7.5 inches across, and even though men prefer to handle a D cup (10 inchs across) the extensive field testing has shown that anything larger than a B cub is more than a handful.


You guys are too serious.

[Siggie]

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Either that or they found a stash of popular science.

You said sexual orientation is a choice and now you're saying it's innate. These are contradictory beliefs.

Yes and for the record I don't need Christianity to teach me I like boobs.

What if you were born in Ancient Greece and they handed you to a man at the age of 12 and you liked it?

I should hope not, Sip.

I haven't seen any research about this particularly, however based on anecdotal evidence, I think that just as heterosexual children recall crushes and things from early childhood (indications that they knew their orientation then), many homosexuals recall knowing as children that they were attracted to the same sex.

[KanadaHye]

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Yes and for the record I don't need Christianity to teach me I like boobs.

What if you were born in Ancient Greece and they handed you to a man at the age of 12 and you liked it?

[Sip]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Yes and for the record I don't need Christianity to teach me I like boobs.