Religion and Atheism

[KanadaHye]

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How about retarded kids that are born from God loving, non-drug addicted parents? Are you saying that is because of the media? I obviously don't agree.

By the way, how did we go from gay to retarded with hormonal imbalance?

From your claim that God intervenes in human matters.

[Sip]

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When retarded children are born to parents that were on drugs.... is that God's fault? Hormonal imbalances could be do to so many environmental and biological factors. However, if a culture promotes homosexuality like the media and pop culture does, it's not shocking to expect an increase in individuals that partake in the culture.

How about retarded kids that are born from God loving, non-drug addicted parents? Are you saying that is because of the media? I obviously don't agree.

By the way, how did we go from gay to retarded with hormonal imbalance?

[Sip]

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You're comparing apples to oranges... America is the largest economy in the world with 300+ million citizens. Iran's population is around 70 million. Like I said, stop immigration to the U.S. and see how long the country would last.

That's like comparing limes to pineapples. Like I said, there are gays everywhere and it is in fact biological.

[KanadaHye]

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I think this is what he meant. In classic Kanada style, his point didn't have much to do with gays or religion.

Classic Siggie style... doesn't understand the world, religion or simple economics....

The problem with modern religion is trying to classify homosexuality as "sin" when there are soooo many gays that are biologically gay (as in God made them that way). I know a lot of the uber-religious will fight tooth and nail trying to argue against this but you put any group of 10 people together, my guess is 1 of them is going to be gay. You can shame them into silence, you can burn them at the stake, you can stone and hang them (like they do in Iran), but in the end, you can't really fight biology (or God's will?).

When retarded children are born to parents that were on drugs.... is that God's fault? Hormonal imbalances could be do to so many environmental and biological factors. However, if a culture promotes homosexuality like the media and pop culture does, it's not shocking to expect an increase in individuals that partake in the culture.

[KanadaHye]

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What? Are you suggesting America will die due to gays? Before you answer that, let me ask if there are only gays in the US or there are gays everywhere? (Note that this is mostly a rhetorical question unless you are with Ahmadinejad and want to claim that for example there are no gays in Iran )

I may have misunderstood what you are saying ... I am hoping you are saying that we need larger and larger groups of young people to keep the old generations going since they live so much longer

You're comparing apples to oranges... America is the largest economy in the world with 300+ million citizens. Iran's population is around 70 million. Like I said, stop immigration to the U.S. and see how long the country would last.

[Sip]

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The most important message of my earlier post to you was this: Marriage is between a man and a woman. And that’s exactly what the opponents of gay marriage (including myself) oppose. I don’t care if all the holy books of the world (i.e. Torah, New Testament, Koran etc.) consider gays sinners and abomination because that’s not what my opposition is about.

Gay marriage is definitely a huge topic on its own. I am one of those that doesn't think marriage should be subsidized (straight or gay). If people want to get together, commit to each other, and live like that, fine. They are free to do so. It is a social concept and should not be endorsed, recommended, discouraged, encouraged, or in any way interfered with by government. In other words, I am anti-marriage as an institution (Gay or straight, doesn't matter to me).

The problem with modern religion is trying to classify homosexuality as "sin" when there are soooo many gays that are biologically gay (as in God made them that way). I know a lot of the uber-religious will fight tooth and nail trying to argue against this but you put any group of 10 people together, my guess is 1 of them is going to be gay. You can shame them into silence, you can burn them at the stake, you can stone and hang them (like they do in Iran), but in the end, you can't really fight biology (or God's will?).

[Siggie]

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(Note that this is mostly a rhetorical question unless you are with Ahmadinejad and want to claim that for example there are no gays in Iran )

I may have misunderstood what you are saying ... I am hoping you are saying that we need larger and larger groups of young people to keep the old generations going since they live so much longer

I think this is what he meant. In classic Kanada style, his point didn't have much to do with gays or religion.

[Sip]

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The only reason "America" works is because of immigration. Close off the country to immigrants and it will die within 1-2 generations using your model. It's not about growth but sustaining sustaining life. If you don't have a young generation to take care of the old, you're pretty much dead in the water.

What? Are you suggesting America will die due to gays? Before you answer that, let me ask if there are only gays in the US or there are gays everywhere? (Note that this is mostly a rhetorical question unless you are with Ahmadinejad and want to claim that for example there are no gays in Iran )

I may have misunderstood what you are saying ... I am hoping you are saying that we need larger and larger groups of young people to keep the old generations going since they live so much longer

[Siggie]

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The only reason "America" works is because of immigration. Close off the country to immigrants and it will die within 1-2 generations using your model. It's not about growth but sustaining sustaining life. If you don't have a young generation to take care of the old, you're pretty much dead in the water.

I didn't say America... Not about growth anyway. I was saying it makes sense for religions to take these stances.

[KanadaHye]

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That said, I agree with Sip... the arguments are unconvincing because they're really not arguments. They're prescriptions, rules, etc without any explanation or justification.
What makes sense is that the bible takes this stance because a (the?) major goal of any religion is to GROW. What better way to do that than with lots of christian babies? In this light, the views on contraception, withdrawal, homosexuality, abortion, etc., all make a little more sense.

The only reason "America" works is because of immigration. Close off the country to immigrants and it will die within 1-2 generations using your model. It's not about growth but sustaining sustaining life. If you don't have a young generation to take care of the old, you're pretty much dead in the water.