Religion and Atheism

[KanadaHye]

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the exploitation of man by man is nothing new.
external freedoms may be taken away but it is a much harder task to eradicate the possibility of inner freedom.
people in the west like to whine.
contrast this with the chinese.

It's the West that's indebted to China. China, if left at peace, will evolve into adopting human rights and perhaps even unions and proper labour laws (seeing a production facility in China will make you appreciate so many things that people in the west take granted). Inner freedom is over rated. Traditionally, being in debt (financially) was a sin in itself. Even in Armenian tradition, you never show up to someone's house empty handed because you don't want to feel indebted.

[gkv]

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This isn't very far fetched in terms of the future. It's basically a result of life being "automated" by the same machinations that were created to make life simpler. If you've ever seen an automotive assembly plant or any production facility for that matter, the setting shown in the movie is reality for the workers during their 12 hour shifts. Especially now that students come out of school with debt, they will have no choice but to pay that debt off working in such environments. Slave labour? Perhaps.

the exploitation of man by man is nothing new.
external freedoms may be taken away but it is a much harder task to eradicate the possibility of inner freedom.
people in the west like to whine.
contrast this with the chinese.

[KanadaHye]

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Don't let this jewish/freemason thing grow into an obsession.

All earthly kingdoms are bound to collapse, even the one whose foundation rests upon human feebleness. For in each man lies the seed of freedom. And, in some, the longing for greatness and the absolute. This even permeates pop culture. How many dystopian movies have been set around these themes... e.g. the following parabola
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The example to be set against human feebleness is one of spiritual strength, that of a man who stays the course, leading his life unaffected by surrounding circumstances, looking towards the kingdom of God.

This isn't very far fetched in terms of the future. It's basically a result of life being "automated" by the same machinations that were created to make life simpler. If you've ever seen an automotive assembly plant or any production facility for that matter, the setting shown in the movie is reality for the workers during their 12 hour shifts. Especially now that students come out of school with debt, they will have no choice but to pay that debt off working in such environments. Slave labour? Perhaps.

[gkv]

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The explanation of the phenomenon is relatively straightforward: Freemasonry...

Don't let this jewish/freemason thing grow into an obsession.

Mechanisms underlying human societies are far too complex for anything to be predicted/"engineered". Often, one works towards one goal and achieves the exact opposite.

There surely are influential cynics who believe they hold some power over the destinies of this world, cynics who hold other humans to be vain and miserable (as exemplified by this fictive character http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/grand.htm), yet there are the ones to be pitied the most. Their tower of babel is a laughable attempt. They end up being mere instruments in the hands of providence, as did revolutionaries in the times of the french and bolshevik revolutions.

All earthly kingdoms are bound to collapse, even the one whose foundation rests upon human feebleness. For in each man lies the seed of freedom. And, in some, the longing for greatness and the absolute. This even permeates pop culture. How many dystopian movies have been set around these themes... e.g. the following parabola

If one is to attack a citadel, one should take aim at its foundations.

One cannot fight human feebleness by denuncing it. One can only preach by means of example. If one chooses to devote his/her energy to detracting others, one ends up setting the example of being a detractor, which is a sterile and contemptible one (whatever the values one might champion).

The example to be set against human feebleness is one of spiritual strength, that of a man who stays the course, leading his life unaffected by surrounding circumstances, looking towards the kingdom of God.

[HayotzAmrotz]

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I couldn't agree more with the above post. I think part of the problem of why the West seems to be embracing atheism/agnosticism is because of this type of fundamentalism. When you think about it, the type of Protestantism/Christian Zionism that is touted and paraded on TV all the time isn't really fundamentalism, because they are diverging greatly from the beliefs of historical, ancient and mainline Christianity. I would be more apt to call it Christian radicalism ('radical' in this sense meaning departing from traditional beliefs, not taking a certain idea to an extreme). In my opinion, your typical Westerner who is luke-warm or has no philosophical beliefs for or against religion will see this type of Christianity, conclude that that's all there is, and then say, "Well if this is Christianity, I certainly want no part of it". And I wouldn't blame him/her. But this is not Christianity at all, it is in reality some perverted version of Christianity presented to the public for mass-consumption in order to fulfill either personal, political or financial gain.

Exactly! I’d just add to your above post that while the attacks on Christ’s teachings are of course nothing new, they are coming even thicker and faster since the end of 18th century when the Rothschild’s clan established Freemasonry, which is behind most of the anti-Christian messages beamed through their mass media outlets worldwide. They truly are the masters of deception and servants of evil.

The whole "Christian Zionism" phenomenon is really perplexing to me as Christians have always understood Zion/Israel/Jerusalem as a spiritual idea rather than a physical place. As Christians we are the "New Israel", but it is not a physical place. This only makes sense as Christ was fundamentally opposed to the idea of a "chosen people" and the worship of states and municipalities.

The explanation of the phenomenon is relatively straightforward: Freemasonry was created in order to attract and then basically enslave as many worthy individuals as possible, to make these people work towards the strengthening of the j3wish supremacy without them actually fully understanding what they are being used for. Christian Zionism is an offshoot of Freemasonry, it is basically a simplified version of Freemasonry, which is tailor made to be attractive for the masses rather than individuals. And because the masses of the West (Christianity) are the most valuable for the Masons, in terms of their wealth and influence, the message has been made with a distinct Christian flavour.

As one priest put it, "God put a limit on our intelligence, but he sure as hell didn't put a limit on our stupidity".

That's brilliant!

[HayotzAmrotz]

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I'll definitely drink to that. Only if people would focus more on the teachings of Jesus about how to live and less on things like wasting efforts to fight tooth and nail against evolution (by banning it from books!) or putting together creationist museums and what not ... or trying to paint gays as some sort of evil perverts ... etc etc.

I kindly suggest you to read and understand the text below. It highlights very clearly why Christians ought to fight against homosexuality.

The Apostle Paul, writing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, declares that homosexuality "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9; 10). Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it. Homosexuality is wickedness and must be recognized as such else there is no hope for the homosexual who is asking for help to be extricated from his perverted way of life. However, to call a union of two persons of the same sex a "marriage" is a misnomer. In the Bible, marriage is a divinely ordered institution designed to form a permanent union between one man and one woman for one purpose (among others) of procreating or propagating the human race. That was God's order in the first of such unions (Genesis 1:27, 28; 2:24; Matthew 19:5). If, in His original creation of humans, God had created two persons of the same sex, there would not be a human race in existence today. The whole idea of two persons of the same sex marrying is absurd, unsound, ridiculously unreasonable, stupid. A clergyman might bless a homosexual marriage but God won't.

[KanadaHye]

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The whole "Christian Zionism" phenomenon is really perplexing to me as Christians have always understood Zion/Israel/Jerusalem as a spiritual idea rather than a physical place. As Christians we are the "New Israel", but it is not a physical place. This only makes sense as Christ was fundamentally opposed to the idea of a "chosen people" and the worship of states and municipalities.

20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...04&version=KJV

This is similar to the idea of Zen in Buddhism. True Israelites are the sons and daughters of the "New Israel" and they are spread across the world to embody Christ's spirit and revel in the truth.

[KanadaHye]

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Very good my friend So you would agree that just because a whole bunch of people believe in some Church, the rest of us shouldn't be made guilty That as the whole point. The actions or beliefs of a certain group of people shouldn't be reason or justification for everyone in the universe.

Uhm, guilt is felt by your own conscience... if you feel guilt, blame your own psyche or parents for raising you that way

I'll definitely drink to that. Only if people would focus more on the teachings of Jesus about how to live and less on things like wasting efforts to fight tooth and nail against evolution (by banning it from books!) or putting together creationist museums and what not ... or trying to paint gays as some sort of evil perverts ... etc etc.

The only evil thing about gays is they are happy because they don't have to deal with all the stress and responsibility of having offspring. Who really cares if they marry by law? The state cares because a gay marriage does nothing for the economy and has no bearing on tax collection. They would reap the benefits of insurance and tax breaks without any sort of return to the state.

Yeah, I've run into this... Some people identify jewish like it's an ethnicity and not a religion. So, it's like they're ethnic jew, but not religiously a jew.
It's confusing to say the least. I suppose they do share a culture even if they don't believe.

They don't believe what? They don't believe they are ethnic J3ws? Both J3ws and Arabs are Semitic. Perhaps they know they aren't ethnic J3ws and only pretend to be J3ws so they can reap the benefits of soaking up sympathy while hiding behind a J3wish veil and perpetrating criminal activity. After all, it's like joining a club.... as long as you pay into the club, you reap the rewards.

[gkv]

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The whole "Christian Zionism" phenomenon is really perplexing to me as Christians have always understood Zion/Israel/Jerusalem as a spiritual idea rather than a physical place.

20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%204&version=KJV

[Sip]

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Yet the whole bloody world could have been (and should have been) a much nicer and healthier place had all the people of the world embraced teachings of Jesus Christ.

I'll definitely drink to that. Only if people would focus more on the teachings of Jesus about how to live and less on things like wasting efforts to fight tooth and nail against evolution (by banning it from books!) or putting together creationist museums and what not ... or trying to paint gays as some sort of evil perverts ... etc etc.