Religion and Atheism

[KanadaHye]

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The "top atheists"? I didn't realize we were ranked.

Everything comes back to a hrya conspiracy for you...

Simple question. You can be Armenian and Atheist correct? You can't be Christian and Atheist. However you can be J3wish and Atheist. So my question to you is what is a J3w? Is it a person who is a shape shifter?

[Siggie]

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That's because the top atheists are J3ws and the average atheist is a mouthpiece for the top atheists. J3ws tend to know a lot about Christianity

The "top atheists"? I didn't realize we were ranked.

Everything comes back to a hrya conspiracy for you...

[KanadaHye]

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Ara, Davo jan! We're a little b!tchy aren't we? Not everyone is obsessed with the minutiae of religion. You're being awfully rude in your reply (I assume because you're taking it personally and there's no need for that either). Be a little nicer and reap it twofold in return.
The average atheists tends to know religion (esp Christianity) and the content of the bible better than the average believer. YOU are not average... remember that.

That's because the top atheists are J3ws and the average atheist is a mouthpiece for the top atheists. J3ws tend to know a lot about Christianity

[Siggie]

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Perhaps we need to put atheists on an island of their own and see how far they get without the "believers"

It would have to be a huge island.
Atlas Shrugged style. I would love that.

[KanadaHye]

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I too, like Karo, have been an atheist a long time (at least 17 of my 30 years). And there's not a darn thing lacking in my life because of it.

Perhaps we need to put atheists on an island of their own and see how far they get without the "believers"

[KanadaHye]

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I think this kind of discussion takes place when one person starts to tell another that they don't understand. I think this is when people feel compelled to defend that they have not arrived at their viewpoint because they are intellectually lacking and that they're plenty smart enough to weigh things for themselves etc.

I'm waiting for gkv to point out the word soup...

[Siggie]

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Where do I get from? Just look around or better yet browse through some threads here... atheists constantly brag about their intelligence, intellectuality and knowledge/education...

I believe you mean well but you are a bit confused... we all may be so at some point of our life.



I agree! That or 'hear' voices in their head

I think this kind of discussion takes place when one person starts to tell another that they don't understand. I think this is when people feel compelled to defend that they have not arrived at their viewpoint because they are intellectually lacking and that they're plenty smart enough to weigh things for themselves etc.

I know there are exceptions though (and I have met lots of people), but there is in fact a statistical correlation (smallish, but significant) between IQ and belief. Just sayin'!

And just a suggestion... I wouldn't tell people they're confused. How would you feel if I patted you on the shoulder, and said "It's okay, you're a little confused right now... you'll come to your senses eventually"? That's offensive... Ironically enough, that's basically the equivalent of what you're complaining about except instead of saying "you're not intelligent enough to understand" you're saying "you're too confused."

I too, like Karo, have been an atheist a long time (at least 17 of my 30 years). And there's not a darn thing lacking in my life because of it.

[Siggie]

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This quote just shows your arrogance and pride regarding a subject you know nothing about. You make claims about "most Christians" because they happen to support your philosophical prejudices.

First of all the two largest denominations of Christianity are Catholicism and Orthodoxy. As you know as a people, we are Orthodox. Both of these Christianities go back to Apostolic times and are based on the fact that each consecutive bishop has received the "laying on of hands" (thus authority) by the previous bishop, going all the way back to the Apostle that founded that Church.

NOW, both of these Christianities reject the idea of what you are talking about (sola scriptura). Sola Scriptura is the idea that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, literally. This is a new Protestant idea (think Reformation) and has been rejected by the ancient Churches, going back to the third, fourth, and fifth centuries. If you had any knowledge on the topic you purpose to be talking about, you would already know all this and I wouldn't have to explain it.

The MAJORITY of Christians (i.e. majority lives OUTSIDE of your direct environment, the USA) acknowledge that the Gospels were copied over and over again. However, especially when concerning the New Testament, the small discrepencies that do occur are usually grammatical and rarely affect the meaning of the text. The field of comparing these copies is called Textual Criticism.

The reason why this does not phase most Christians (i.e. Catholics and Orthodox) is because we also have Tradition. Tradition is not "rituals" or "superstition" but the guidance of the early Church Fathers who lived during and after the time of Christ to guide us in the correct interpretation of the Scriptures - because they were infinitely more aware of the culture and language of the people of the time than we could be.

By the way, the best proof for the Resurrection is the existence of the Church. Multitudes of people are not going to willingly be martyred for something that isn't real, and they ALL couldn't have been hallucinating.

Ara, Davo jan! We're a little b!tchy aren't we? Not everyone is obsessed with the minutiae of religion. You're being awfully rude in your reply (I assume because you're taking it personally and there's no need for that either). Be a little nicer and reap it twofold in return.
The average atheists tends to know religion (esp Christianity) and the content of the bible better than the average believer. YOU are not average... remember that.

[KanadaHye]

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Oooops I meant borrowing, that the borrowing back in the days was done by the businessmen and the elite of their day and not the ordinary people.

That's not true, while Kings even tended to borrow money from the ultra wealthy to run their Kingdoms (much like governments today use the Federal Reserve in the U.S. and the International Monetary Fund worldwide) the people were also in the habit of borrowing money and carrying debt throughout their lives. St. Louis didn't forgive the debts that people had accumulated even though he stopped the practice which the lenders used to manipulate the people.

[KarotheGreat]

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.... ordinary people aren't born with money to lend. Not then and not now.

Oooops I meant borrowing, that the borrowing back in the days was done by the businessmen and the elite of their day and not the ordinary people.