Religion and Atheism

[Siggie]

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Note: This applies to the US only (not the world; looking at you Kanada )

The way I see it, religion is irrelevant because there's (or there should be GRR) separation between church and state. What it boils down to is this... There's an equal protections clause in the constitution and at present the law is discriminatory. It's only a matter of a little time before this inequality is fixed. They cannot say that oh you can have "domestic partnership" and that's good enough. The Supreme Court has seen this kind of "separate but equal" BS before and it didn't fly.

That said, I agree with Sip... the arguments are unconvincing because they're really not arguments. They're prescriptions, rules, etc without any explanation or justification.
What makes sense is that the bible takes this stance because a (the?) major goal of any religion is to GROW. What better way to do that than with lots of christian babies? In this light, the views on contraception, withdrawal, homosexuality, abortion, etc., all make a little more sense.

[KanadaHye]

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I read it. I didn't understand it. All I got from that text is blah blah blah homosexuality is sin blah blah homosexulaity bad blah blah God forbids it blah the end.

There is no "reason" given other than God's will. That's not good enough. A true follower of Christ will have compassion and love for all of God's creations, including the gays.

Gay marriage is a political issue, focusing on gay couples having the same rights as heterosexual couples. The politics is quite simple. Men or women who are room mates and who don't ever plan to get married could legally opt to form a union just to reap the benefits. It sounds absurd but keep in mind that the same suspicions were applied to couples that married for green cards. That is perspective of the government. The perspective of the people is that marriage between a man and a woman is sacred and gay marriage makes a mockery of this sacrament.

There may be some people who have deep seeded hatred towards gays but I'm sure they are in the minority or have had some sort of altercation which formed their viewpoints. When the "Christian" right in the media speaks on issues, keep in mind that they don't speak for all Christians. However, it is still in dispute whether television and pop culture is having an affect on young minds who don't have the best parental figures. The representation of gays in the media is not proportionate or a blatant misrepresentation of reality.

[HayotzAmrotz]

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Don't let this jewish/freemason thing grow into an obsession.

Very good suggestion, thank you.

P.S. it’s good to see you, axel. stay around and continue your contributions, i enjoy reading your posts.

[HayotzAmrotz]

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I read it. I didn't understand it. All I got from that text is blah blah blah homosexuality is sin blah blah homosexulaity bad blah blah God forbids it blah the end.

There is no "reason" given other than God's will. That's not good enough. A true follower of Christ will have compassion and love for all of God's creations, including the gays.

The most important message of my earlier post to you was this: Marriage is between a man and a woman. And that’s exactly what the opponents of gay marriage (including myself) oppose. I don’t care if all the holy books of the world (i.e. Torah, New Testament, Koran etc.) consider gays sinners and abomination because that’s not what my opposition is about.

I’m against gay marriage because I believe that the institute of marriage should be exclusively between a man and a woman. It was always this way and it should always remain this way for the sake of our traditions, culture and our future as a healthy nation.

Let the gays legally be together, but let’s not call it a marriage, let’s not give their union the same status as the heterosexual ones because theirs is just a legalized partnership, ours is not just a partnership, it’s union to create the future of mankind. What future for the society does a legalized gay partnership create? None, zilch, zero! What future for the society does a marriage create? Children – the very future itself! Do you understand that or not?

[Sip]

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I kindly suggest you to read and understand the text below. It highlights very clearly why Christians ought to fight against homosexuality.
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I read it. I didn't understand it. All I got from that text is blah blah blah homosexuality is sin blah blah homosexulaity bad blah blah God forbids it blah the end.

There is no "reason" given other than God's will. That's not good enough. A true follower of Christ will have compassion and love for all of God's creations, including the gays.

[Armanen]

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Rich southern that went to West Point, slave owner who would have lost them if he hadn't fought with the Confederacy.

Robert E. Lee did not want to fight against the Union, he only did so because he was loyal to his home state. He planned on releasing his slaves when he died, but the South losing resulted in his slaves gaining their freedom sooner.

[Armanen]

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She is crazy because she hears voices in her heads or are you going to claim that hearing voices in your head is something normal?

The voices were those from the Divine. If she had gone crazy or done odd, hurtful things to herself and others than we could include her in the list of the typical 'I hear voices in my head' mental people. Yet, she led armies to victory with no military background whatsoever, and she credited them to the voices she heard which were telling her what is the right decision to make.

[gkv]

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anyway enough empty talk. nowadays, i get annoyed by my own babble fairly quickly. have to leave this board. so long.

[gkv]

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inner freedom certainly is not overrated. in fact it is one of the freedom that is most lacking in the west. for it is not something that may be granted, rather something to be conquered.

[gkv]

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It's the West that's indebted to China. China, if left at peace, will evolve into adopting human rights and perhaps even unions and proper labour laws (seeing a production facility in China will make you appreciate so many things that people in the west take granted). Inner freedom is over rated. Traditionally, being in debt (financially) was a sin in itself. Even in Armenian tradition, you never show up to someone's house empty handed because you don't want to feel indebted.

there might have been a misunderstanding here.
what i meant is, contrast this with the chinese who often work much harder, under very tough conditions, yet do not complain.
their culture is one which values effort.