Religion and Atheism

[KanadaHye]

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Selfishness and Greed is not evil, only the excesses.

All people are inherently selfish or we couldn't exist (caring for your own health such as eating food is selfish), achieving things for yourself is selfish but without such selfish natures we would have been without Thomas Edison and many other industrialists and inventors.

Stalin hated the fact people were too individualistic so dedicated a lot of research in the USSR to finding how to collectivise humanity and make it more like dogs and other animals that could be easily controlled. To suggest that selfishness is wrong is to adopt Stalin's ideological system for humanity, that individualism must be destroyed.

As for Greed, again it is a matter of excess. People can have greed to be wealthy, powerful or to strengthen themselves or their country.

In both Greed and Selfishness however its when you do so at the expense of others and in violation of other people's rights that Greed and Selfishness can become evil.

Have you ever seen a monkey hoard all the bananas in the world just so it can have a banana monopoly?

[hipeter924]

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Have you ever seen a monkey hoard all the bananas in the world just so it can have a banana monopoly?

Monkey's share a lot of genes with us but they aren't human, and I am sure that monkeys do hoard the banana's. When they did a test with other animals in the wild, and feed them with fruit and then stopped feeding them the animals turned on each other and hoarded the food.

[KanadaHye]

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Monkey's share a lot of genes with us but they aren't human, and I am sure that monkeys do hoard the banana's. When they did a test with other animals in the wild, and feed them with fruit and then stopped feeding them the animals turned on each other and hoarded the food.

Animals when living under conditions of freedom don't exhibit these behaviours. They only consume what they require to survive. As soon as they are domesticated, they become fat and lazy. Possibly a result of depression from being oppressed? Or maybe they learn from people?

[hipeter924]

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Animals when living under conditions of freedom don't exhibit these behaviours. They only consume what they require to survive. As soon as they are domesticated, they become fat and lazy. Possibly a result of depression from being oppressed? Or maybe they learn from people?

That's true, domestication is the problem in most cases. Though these days very few animals have conditions of freedom, especially with global deforestation and destruction of their natural habitats.

[Haykakan]

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Animals are more complex then you guys seem to think. They have a wide range of behavior and pretty much everything we humans do and feel they do and feel as well. Selfishness, jelousy, murder, compassion even alturism and suicide are observable behaviours already documented. We humans are animals to (despite what religion tells you) and it is not a big surprise that we share so many characteristics with other animals. Environmental conditions can greatly effect human and animal behaviour and the study done on newly discovered tribes of people shows how money can totally change behaviour of the whole society-mainly in a negative way.

[KanadaHye]

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Animals are more complex then you guys seem to think. They have a wide range of behavior and pretty much everything we humans do and feel they do and feel as well. Selfishness, jelousy, murder, compassion even alturism and suicide are observable behaviours already documented. We humans are animals to (despite what religion tells you) and it is not a big surprise that we share so many characteristics with other animals. Environmental conditions can greatly effect human and animal behaviour and the study done on newly discovered tribes of people shows how money can totally change behaviour of the whole society-mainly in a negative way.

Exactly what does religion tell you? And which religion are you referring to? You give voice to animal rights activists who have created an environment where animals are treated more humanely than people.

[Haykakan]

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All religions tell you basicly the same crap. It is funny that you mention animal rights while i am loading up my shotgun to go deer hunting. As i have mentioned many times before rights are earned and protected by strength and should animals one day have such strength they will have such rights to. I believe in biodiversity but that is not the same thing as supporting animal rights. I happen to think i have the right to kill and eat animals and i practice this right by fishing and hunting but i also believe in preserving nature so i dont litter, destroy habitat, kill engangered animals... No one will give you your rights, you have to earn it by being smart and strong (some luck never hurts either).

[KanadaHye]

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All religions tell you basicly the same crap. It is funny that you mention animal rights while i am loading up my shotgun to go deer hunting. As i have mentioned many times before rights are earned and protected by strength and should animals one day have such strength they will have such rights to. I believe in biodiversity but that is not the same thing as supporting animal rights. I happen to think i have the right to kill and eat animals and i practice this right by fishing and hunting but i also believe in preserving nature so i dont litter, destroy habitat, kill engangered animals... No one will give you your rights, you have to earn it by being smart and strong (some luck never hurts either).

Are you going to actually bring back some venison or just get liquored up and shoot one of your hunting buddies?

[Yedtarts]

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i am loading up my shotgun to go deer hunting.

Sorry for spoiling it for you but, nobody will go for deer hunting with a shotgun. a cannon maybe would be more convenient?

[Haykakan]

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I am going wo liquer and by myself. Since using rifles is not allowed in this part of the state i have no choice but to use a shotgun, i am opting for sluggs rather then pellets. My wife makes great chillie and venison is perfect for it so i hope i will get lucky and fill my freezer with something other then fish for a change. I wonder if opening a thread on outdoor activities would be a good idea.