Religion and Atheism

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

And the religious leaders in the Catholic church especially have done an excellent job of exercising self-control over their appetites and desires.

Right, because a few bad apples out of the bunch spoils the whole crate.... typical anti-religion logic.

[KanadaHye]

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Sorry, I missed the part of your post where you established that the non-religious do not seek fulfillment.
You want to modify it now and narrow what you mean by "fullfillment"? Go for it... define it and then establish it.

I missed the part where I said that the non-religious doesn't seek fulfillment. However, if they do seek fulfillment then it seems they are caught in a contradiction and believe that life has a purpose.

[Siggie]

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In English it only refers to a scholar, in Latin it refers to a learner, scholar, pupil, disciple, student, follower. Someone who is self disciplined (such as those who follow the teachings of Christ) should have self control over their moods, appetites and desires so the "rules" that are created by society to suppress those things don't apply to them. They don't need to be "put in order". They are free of the chains that binds them.

And the religious leaders in the Catholic church especially have done an excellent job of exercising self-control over their appetites and desires.

Give more concrete examples of what you mean please. I think you're headed toward that old and inaccurate assumption about morality.

[KanadaHye]

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So, really it means "scholar"... Guess that makes me disciplined? Oops.

I am asking you to defend the claim that the non-religious are undisciplined by comparison to the religious.

In English it only refers to a scholar, in Latin it refers to a learner, scholar, pupil, disciple, student, follower. Someone who is self disciplined (such as those who follow the teachings of Christ) should have self control over their moods, appetites and desires so the "rules" that are created by society to suppress those things don't apply to them. They don't need to be "put in order". They are free of the chains that binds them.

[Siggie]

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That all depends on what they are trying to fulfill. If someone is trying to fulfill their basic needs then they really don't have much of a goal.

Sorry, I missed the part of your post where you established that the non-religious do not seek fulfillment.
You want to modify it now and narrow what you mean by "fullfillment"? Go for it... define it and then establish it.

[KanadaHye]

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You're assuming that the non-religious do not seek any fulfillment. You must establish the veracity of this assumption/premise before you use it to draw your conclusion. Please try again.

That all depends on what they are trying to fulfill. If someone is trying to fulfill their basic needs then they really don't have much of a goal.

[Siggie]

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Well since you live under the brainwashing that is America, you probably denote "religiosity" with belief when in fact there are distinct disciplines associated with every Religion which molds an individual into a useful/active person seeking fulfillment instead of a lazy schmo.

You're assuming that the non-religious do not seek any fulfillment. You must establish the veracity of this assumption/premise before you use it to draw your conclusion. Please try again.

[KanadaHye]

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Just because it's part of the etiology of a word that's associated with religion, doesn't mean the religious are more disciplined.

I am asking you to defend the claim that the non-religious are undisciplined by comparison to the religious.

Well since you live under the brainwashing that is America, you probably denote "religiosity" with belief when in fact there are distinct disciplines associated with every Religion which molds an individual into a useful/active person seeking fulfillment instead of a lazy schmo.

[Siggie]

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WHAT??? Ever hear of the term disciples? Religion is ALL about discipline.

Just because it's part of the etymology of a word that's associated with religion, doesn't mean the religious are more disciplined.

Besides... it's not.

Disciple
O.E. discipul (fem. discipula), Biblical borrowing from L. discipulus "pupil, student, follower," from a lost compound *discipere "to grasp intellectually, analyze thoroughly," from dis- "apart" (see dis-) + capere "to take, take hold of" (see capable). Cf. L. capulus "handle" from capere. Sometimes glossed in O.E. by žegn

So, really it means "scholar"... Guess that makes me disciplined? Oops.

I am asking you to defend the claim that the non-religious are undisciplined by comparison to the religious.

[KanadaHye]

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I didn't say that's the only time people act out of fear of the consequences. It doesn't make it better that people do it in other circumstances.

YOU are the one who implied the religious are disciplined, whereas the non-religious are not. Now, defend that claim with some evidence plox.

WHAT??? Ever hear of the term disciples? Religion is ALL about discipline.