Religion and Atheism

[Sip]

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Yah I totally understand Religions formed from historical events. Man saw fire thousands of years ago and thought it must be God. So we worshiped it for a few thousand years. Then man learned that historical experience was kind of stupid so we stopped worshiping fire. We have found ways to worship many many Gods in the past and all of them have some reason behind them (historical, cultural, superstitial, you name it). But just because something has historical reason, doesn't make it "true"

[Sip]

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Armenians have become rather good liars and I wouldn't trust anything they have to say. There are people tracking down imposters all over the internet... Turkish/Azeri trash pretending to be Armenian.

I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. It doesn't matter at all what Armenians and Turks say. The facts speak for themselves and they are undisputed. The ONLY group blind to the facts are the Turks and I hope I don't have to explain to you why

You could probably kick my ass as a Turkish lawyer? Why? Who cares who I am and what I have to say? The Genocide question is much bigger than you or I and it is not up to "debate". At least not among the majority of the serious intellectuals in the world.

[Siggie]

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Faith and history are intertwined. Religion didn't form from thin air. Every major religion formed from historical events. Faith relies on the priesthood of historians.

You mean every religion has a history. That doesn't make it special; everything has a history.

[KarotheGreat]

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Faith and history are intertwined. Religion didn't form from thin air. Every major religion formed from historical events. Faith relies on the priesthood of historians.

No it doesn't it has documents and archeology to support it, so it isn't only the historians word but also the proof that it can bring with it.

[KanadaHye]

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No there are historical documents, historians of that time that are writing about the things that happened, so you can start comparing different historians that lived in the same era. So no it is not based on faith. The difference between a holy book and a history book is that there is evidence to be found about the history book.

Faith and history are intertwined. Religion didn't form from thin air. Every major religion formed from historical events. Faith relies on the priesthood of historians.

[KarotheGreat]

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You can't test history books. Would you say your knowledge of history is based on faith?

No there are historical documents, historians of that time that are writing about the things that happened, so you can start comparing different historians that lived in the same era. So no it is not based on faith. The difference between a holy book and a history book is that there is evidence to be found about the history book.

[KanadaHye]

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Maybe that's all YOU have but trust me, Genocide is proven fact. There is a lot of evidence that goes faaaaaaaar beyond just "stories". Please, please, don't be stupid enough to believe Turkish propaganda on this. It is fine if you want to believe in the Bible and all that hoopla without reason but as an Armenian, you should really educate yourself on some of this evidence before saying things like "all we have are stories".

I know it is easier to claim there is no evidence than actually to go put effort, study, learn, analyze, and understand the realities. If you are happy living your life the lazy way, that's ok but at least be smart enough to know what you don't know

I could probably be a lawyer on the Turkish side and kick your a$$ to kingdom come. The fact is, Armenians have become rather good liars and I wouldn't trust anything they have to say. There are people tracking down imposters all over the internet... Turkish/Azeri trash pretending to be Armenian.

[Sip]

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Regardless, after a century, all we have are stories.

Maybe that's all YOU have but trust me, Genocide is proven fact. There is a lot of evidence that goes faaaaaaaar beyond just "stories". Please, please, don't be stupid enough to believe Turkish propaganda on this. It is fine if you want to believe in the Bible and all that hoopla without reason but as an Armenian, you should really educate yourself on some of this evidence before saying things like "all we have are stories".

I know it is easier to claim there is no evidence than actually to go put effort, study, learn, analyze, and understand the realities. If you are happy living your life the lazy way, that's ok but at least be smart enough to know what you don't know

[KanadaHye]

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None of those things that are all consistent with each other and genocide are evidence of it? Okay, I'll bite... Why is none of that evidence?

Ya, according to Turkish logic you are definitely right

The Turks claim that Armenians were deported and not systematically butchered. There was a world war, the mass graves doesn't prove anything. Now, we know that's bullxxxx because we have faith that our ancestors wouldn't have made stuff up. Regardless, after a century, all we have are stories.

[Sip]

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None of that proves that Genocide occured.

Ya, according to Turkish logic you are definitely right