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  • #31
    Originally posted by Darorinag
    OK, so you're comparing the violence of the U.S. "around the world" and you consider my comparison to whatever the Muslims have done around the world irrelevant? Please. You're obviously biased.
    Everyone is biased, in your own words. That was not even my point. I was only trying to give a synthesis of the events that led up to the current situation. Purely factual, you see, not empty rhetoric. You have largely ignored those and continue to offer baseless claims.

    Originally posted by Darorinag
    Stop justifying the killings of innocent civilians by Muslim fanatics by using the "reaction" excuse. Killing innocent people is not justified AT ALL TIMES. Period.
    I did not justify killing. In fact, what I said is I am providing an understanding. I have obviously been against this war, just like any war. Unlike you I do not like violence.
    Achkerov kute.

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    • #32
      An understanding? Of the killings? Well, care to elaborate? What are your findings?

      Unlike you I do not like violence.
      I like violence? For the very reason that I don't believe in violence, I support the crushing of the Muslim fanatics, because as long as they are around, there will always be war and conflict. If the U.S. is out of all Muslim countries, there will STILL be a conflict - they will create one somewhere else. It's always been like that. The Palestinian conflict then the Lebanese conflict then the Palestinian conflict, then the Iran-Iraq-Kuwait conflict, and now again, the Iraq conflict. And you're gonna say, right, all were started by USA and Israel. Fine. But I'd rather live in an imperialist country than under the sword of the Muslim fanatics, or even worse, not living at all (i.e. being killed).

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Darorinag
        An understanding? Of the killings? Well, care to elaborate? What are your findings?
        The findings are posted in the first post of the thread. They are the historical and political explanations for why there is conflict there and why they are fanatical moreso than before and hate America. Like I said, an understanding.


        Originally posted by Darorinag
        I like violence? For the very reason that I don't believe in violence, I support the crushing of the Muslim fanatics, because as long as they are around, there will always be war and conflict. ?
        This is unsubstantiated and simply stems from your dislike of Muslims. Unfortunately reality doesn't work that way.
        Achkerov kute.

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        • #34
          Can't believe that the entire debate started from some Italian getting killed..

          I'll have one notification, and won't elaborate on it.
          I think that you, US resident Armenians ,(non Armenians aren't addressed, if any) are sometimes missing one important point.
          You guys have brothers and sisters here in the Middle East; at the heart of the trouble.
          So please before you set out to prove that "US is righteous", consider the worldwide Aremenian existence and reality.
          US current policy is right for the US and its people (and that naturally includes you) but is devastating otherwise.

          And if you care, just track the US movement line and you'll see that it is coinciding with the oil resources.
          So it's quite natural that Caucasus may be the next target after Afghanistan and Iraq.
          I assume that you care for the future of some little mountainous country in that region.. don't you ?

          Peace.

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          • #35
            [QUOTE=strontium90]Can't believe that the entire debate started from some Italian getting killed..

            I'll have one notification, and won't elaborate on it.
            I think that you, US resident Armenians ,(non Armenians aren't addressed, if any) are sometimes missing one important point.
            You guys have brothers and sisters here in the Middle East; at the heart of the trouble.
            So please before you set out to prove that "US is righteous", consider the worldwide Aremenian existence and reality.
            US current policy is right for the US and its people (and that naturally includes you) but is devastating otherwise.
            QUOTE]

            U.S. government policy is not even right for the citizens here. It is fueling more terrorism and hatred of Americans and more threats to our lives. It is stupid, suicidal and dumb.
            Achkerov kute.

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            • #36
              Anon, those "findings" still do not justify the way the Muslim fanatics are acting.

              This is unsubstantiated and simply stems from your dislike of Muslims.
              No it does not. I have no particular dislike of Muslims. I dislike Jews more than I dislike Muslims. Besides, if you can claim that, I can always claim that your arguments stem from your dislike of USA and U.S. politics. How does that prove that your arguments are wrong?

              Can't believe that the entire debate started from some Italian getting killed..
              "Some" Italian, huh? I can't believe this. If it were some "poor" Palestinian, it would've been soooooooooooooo evil and soooooooooo all over the front pages of newspapers. Get a life. A human life is a human life. Period. Take your third-world-is-more-valuable-because-they-are-underprivileged crap out of this thread.

              So please before you set out to prove that "US is righteous", consider the worldwide Aremenian existence and reality.
              Where did I say that the U.S. is righteous? I don't in any way support the U.S. government, firstly because it's owned and run by zionists, secondly because they are a bunch of fundamentalist freaks who need to get a life instead of deciding who can marry who. I am only supportive of a war on fanatic Muslims. Use the oil propaganda.... that's great.. yeah.... what does that prove? How does that prove that this war is bad?

              I never said USA cared for the Iraqis or wanted to "liberate" them per se. I said they are there for purely financial reasons. But that is not relevant to my argument. I want a crackdown on Muslim fanatics as much as I want a crackdown on zionists as much as I want a crackdown on fundamentalist Christians. Equal opportunity.

              I'm not in the States at any rate - thank God for saving me from such political idiots... At any rate, I think this war should be taken to the extreme and the fanatics finished off, since it's already started. Leaving it unfinished is the worst thing that can ever happen, both to Iraqis and Americans. I never supported the war to remove Saddam, because Saddam was actually pretty good in keeping the country in place amidst the Shiite warmongerers.

              U.S. government policy is not even right for the citizens here. It is fueling more terrorism and hatred of Americans and more threats to our lives. It is stupid, suicidal and dumb.
              Oh puhleez.... can you get more predictable than that? Is that the only justification you have for "terrorism"? Look, buddy, wake the f*ck up. It's not just USA. They don't want Japan, Italy, Spain, Australia, etc. either. And those are not hugely imperialistic countries, mainly industrial, second-to-USA countries. They don't want anyone. They want to live alone, and they want to either kill or deport all non-Muslims, and then spread their religion from there. They want to live like nomads. And if they want to do that, fine, the U.S. should kick out all the Muslims from its country. Ditto for France, Britain, Spain, Australia, Italy, etc. Let's see how that will work. I can see that happening.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Darorinag
                "Some" Italian, huh? I can't believe this. If it were some "poor" Palestinian, it would've been soooooooooooooo evil and soooooooooo all over the front pages of newspapers.
                It's an Italian once in a while against Palestinians and Iraqis every other day.

                1 human life < n human lives

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by strontium90
                  It's an Italian once in a while against Palestinians and Iraqis every other day.

                  1 human life < n human lives
                  And who the hell is killing the Iraqis? Not the armed militants by any chance? It takes two to tango.

                  More like, Muslim fanatics using children to fight a war. Now THAT is criminal behaviour.

                  I'm surprised you're actually pro- those people after having lived around them ... but then again, sympathies arise for different reasons, I suppose...

                  I don't care how many lives it is compared to the life of one Italian. Go say that to his family and see if they'll care. Anyone who has had a family member shot in a war situation would feel the pain. But what do you know. Get out of here.

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                  • #39
                    if i was a iraqi i would do everything to defend my country from the invadors,


                    And besides, they news sais everyone who is trying to defend iraq and takes people who were sent there to concretly destroy the country are sunni-fanatics, or muslim fanatics, well thats not true!!! they are just trying to defend their country!

                    Kill those invadors

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Darorinag
                      And who the hell is killing the Iraqis? Not the armed militants by any chance? It takes two to tango.

                      More like, Muslim fanatics using children to fight a war. Now THAT is criminal behaviour.

                      I'm surprised you're actually pro- those people after having lived around them ... but then again, sympathies arise for different reasons, I suppose...

                      I don't care how many lives it is compared to the life of one Italian. Go say that to his family and see if they'll care. Anyone who has had a family member shot in a war situation would feel the pain. But what do you know. Get out of here.
                      Have you ever lived in an Arab Muslim community in the Middle East, Darorinag ?
                      Last edited by strontium90; 04-16-2004, 04:59 PM.

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